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Originally posted by Kysora People complaining about trance not focusing on percussion is completely asinine. Most producers don't focus on the perucssion because most listeners give it the same attention. As long as it serves as a formation for the bassline, the hooks, the overall sound, then there's no reason to go further than that. Though plenty producers still do. And yeah, trance is, IMO, better than it's ever been. The sound's changed for the most part but it's up to personal opinion as to whether or not it's better or worse, but musically trance has been doing some amazing things if you look beyond ASOT or the top 100 garbage. Also, Oceanlab is the only vocal trance you'll need.

^^THIS GUY knows whats up.

p.s. GDJB > ASOT all day every day.

Vocals are one thing trance does not need more of.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi welcome to the club

Thank you. Where's my damn welcome basket?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles So is there an era of trance you do like, or are your tastes simply moving away from all trance entirely? I would not call simple repetitive melodies a flaw, since trance is all about hypnotizing the listeners -- which is why it is called "trance" after all -- and making them dance.

Entirely.

I don't mind simple melodies or even repeated melodies. But when you have both, it's quantized and the timbre is sterile it adds up to be a very boring experience.

The essence of any kind of trance inducing music is slow subtle changes. Maybe it's an accent change that totally changes the rhythm of the melody, but it's the same melody. That example is much more subtle than most changes in modern trance that are additions.

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Originally posted by owien well this topic kinda brings me to my point in dj robby thred last week about people making there own shit rather then using the same tired sounds.

It's sad that it's come down to varying timbres than any other sort of musical aspect.

Agreed, vocals can only do so much for a track, most producers make the song around them an afterthought and you get stuck with nothing but a basic bassline or chord progression that, on its own, would be completely uninteresting.

Big Sky is still a guilty pleasure of mine, though

lol Big Sky, heard SVD play that song live and still wasnt impressed


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Dx_zEyXaA

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Originally posted by Kysora Big Sky is still a guilty pleasure of mine, though

Why should you feel guilty about it? Because everyone thinks it's cheese?

problem with monotonic, repeatative music made on computers is that it has no personality. if u repeat a loop over and over again on a hardware sampler ull start to hear the machines inner ghosts, but that just dont happen with software, its just the same synthetic sound without any change, on hardware it changes with temperature, how long it has been on with power and at what volume it is played on.

Digital hardware is not going to change sound unless it actually starts breaking. It is 1s and 0s just like any computer.

lol and hardware vs software is just around the bend...once again...

Simon Berry would disagree:

Union Jack - Papillon

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Digital hardware is not going to change sound unless it actually starts breaking. It is 1s and 0s just like any computer.

not true, take the AKAI S1000, a digital sampler which is known for its inner various ghosts making loops more alive and never boring.

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Originally posted by nrjizer Simon Berry would disagree: Union Jack - Papillon

i got the whole album in the mail, today listening to it now very refreshing stuff too!

Great album indeed, and made almost entirely with software.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Great album indeed, and made almost entirely with software.

imagine what it could be with hardware lol

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Originally posted by Kysora People complaining about trance not focusing on percussion is completely asinine. Most producers don't focus on the perucssion because most listeners give it the same attention. As long as it serves as a formation for the bassline, the hooks, the overall sound, then there's no reason to go further than that. Though plenty producers still do.

Listeners may not give "attention" to the percussion, but believe me, they hear it unconsciously, especially on the dance floor.

percussion is everything imo. together with a phatt baseline it is what makes the groove of a track, and really decides whether ull have a good time or not listening to it.

Also, what really irritates me about the first track posted is that it's technically a breakbeat, so I want to like it, but it's all floaty, quantized, and has ZERO funk whatsoever. Stay the hell out of our genre, Armin!

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Originally posted by DigiNut Listeners may not give "attention" to the percussion, but believe me, they hear it unconsciously, especially on the dance floor.

The only percussion that would actually be important at a subconscious level on the dance floor is the fundamental beat that drives the rest of the track, and in most instances, that's the typical 4/4 beat.

I'm not saying it's not important at all, but complexity and variety in the percussion line is not something that's realistically important. If a song is well written, has a catchy/epic/emotional melody (or whatever you're going for) and harmonically supports it well, nobody's going to bash it because the percussion didn't vary outside what most people already expect from trance.

Though really it's all a matter of opinion. People might listen to a song like that and think it's boring as hell because it doesn't do anything new with the percussion. I just think a well-written trance track can derive energy through its songwriting, not the percussion and a "phat" bassline.

A producer who does not try to do anything different or exciting with percussion is unlikely to be the kind of producer who does anything very different or exciting with the synths sounds or melody either, IMO. The lazy habit of going immediately to bog standard sounds applies to all aspects of a track.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Also, what really irritates me about the first track posted is that it's technically a breakbeat, so I want to like it, but it's all floaty, quantized, and has ZERO funk whatsoever. Stay the hell out of our genre, Armin!

LOL

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Originally posted by Kysora The only percussion that would actually be important at a subconscious level on the dance floor is the fundamental beat that drives the rest of the track, and in most instances, that's the typical 4/4 beat.

You have no idea just how wrong you are. Do you ever go out to clubs, to non-trance parties? Have you seen the way people dance to a breakbeat vs. a four-on-the-floor? Or even just something with a groovy bassline and a bit of a swing?

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Originally posted by Nightshift Progressive Trance FTW

This is the problem; not everyone has realized that prog trance IS trance now. I love GOOD epic/euphoric but if you follow the scene closely you'll realize there is VERY little of it. There is TONS of really good prog. So people just need to learn that epic/euphoric is dead (mainly because it's been beat to death and is structurally predictable and boring)

Deep House fa sho. its kinda boring to listen to but on the dance floor its pretty much orgasmic.

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Originally posted by Beatflux It's sad that it's come down to varying timbres than any other sort of musical aspect.

it's also sad that you're yourself are bored with trance and timbers. the one key element you wanted us all to fix on in armins track was how interesting the vocal was and not the copy cat samples used to build the track.

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Originally posted by owien well this topic kinda brings me to my point in dj robby thred last week about people making there own shit rather then using the same tired sounds. sound design is more improtant then people give it creddit for the problem is no one wants to make anything really new or if not new at least different enough to put some mark on their tracks. of course learning how to make good tunes is hard work and so putting a new spin on things gets put back to the list of importance. as producers we all want to make the the best tracks we can making track for enjoying at home is very differnt then what is played in clubs for reasons that are obvious. i will say thoe a lot of trance out there is still good but its all made up of differnt genres and crossovers and even the good stuff is still recyeled.

The problem has nothing to do with the SOUNDS used; it's the way people are composing with them. Your idealism has no point being raised in this thread.

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