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Originally posted by TranceOwnsLol well that's pretty pretentious.

I'm not the type of person who does that. Just giving an example that I thought people could understand. I mean I hope everyone here has at least had some schooling.

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Originally posted by Swamper The problem is that so much shit is produced under the 'Trance' label that it makes it easy for people to talk bad about it. Another way to look at it is... Trance parties get the biggest crowds/have the most pull and for some it's a jealousy thing. It's almost always the fans of the other sub-genres bitching about Trance -- rarely is it ever Trance fans bitching about other sub-genres of EDM. Haters will remain haters - just enjoy the music you like and don't worry about what the other guy is listening to.

Not to be up your ass but you are 100% correct.

I just say electronic music if someone asks. Not that I listen to any current trance really. I just don't like people associating my musical tastes with DJ Sammy and Ian van Dahl, which is what they do if I tell them I listen to trance.

Or some Armin bullshit or something that really isn't trance at all, but gets called such for some weird reason.

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Originally posted by Swamper The problem is that so much shit is produced under the 'Trance' label that it makes it easy for people to talk bad about it. Another way to look at it is... Trance parties get the biggest crowds/have the most pull and for some it's a jealousy thing. It's almost always the fans of the other sub-genres bitching about Trance -- rarely is it ever Trance fans bitching about other sub-genres of EDM. Haters will remain haters - just enjoy the music you like and don't worry about what the other guy is listening to.

I doubt it's a jealousy thing, atleast not where I live, trance hardly gets any crowd together

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Originally posted by physe The problem is that most people whether they mean to or not, know that this has become a blanket statement and will just assume they mean the most mainstream form. This is either because they don't know any better and just associate it themselves, or they think the other person is too new to the scene to define their musical tastes any more specifically.

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Originally posted by AY STAR thats when i dunno it just started to lack originality,emotion etc plus all these useless remakes didnt help it either today alot of dj's are just adding more different types of genres into their productions and their sets its just all over the place not what it used to be and almost every dj now is just about whoreing out their own shit when the play...no more takeing you on a musical journey dont get me wrong there is still good quality trance out there, but its just not gettin the airplay and respect it deserves the generation of clubbers is a different generation from day 5,6 years ago when i felt trance to me was quality all around now they just want to hear the vocals,mashups and all the other garbage

Well said.

90 percent of trance is shitty, but still there's some good gems out their. Doesn't help that all the top trance dj that help build eletronica, now sound like shit.

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Originally posted by hooknife Not to be up your ass but you are 100% correct.

No he isn't. Trance hasn't been the most popular style around for years, and there have always been trance fans on TA bitching about styles, whether it was progressive five years ago or "minimal" today.

It is?? Trance is a "niche". If the pupualer "people" dont like it then fuk them. Music is like food i like what i like.

Word I'm happy eating popeyes 3 times a week and sometimes when I'm feeling fancy I'll hit up applebee's

Careful man, Applebees can get pretty expensive.

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Originally posted by clubamerica It is?? Trance is a "niche". If the pupualer "people" dont like it then fuk them. Music is like food i like what i like.

AMERICA.

FUCK YEAH!!!

that was seriously the coolest typo I have ever seen.

I'm not embarrassed to say I like trance but I always make a point of adding that its Chris Lawrence style, not AVB or Above and Beyond.

I always keeps my love for the music of trance a secret, this one time i told people i love trance and they all laughed at me and started kicking my butt, than one guy pulled down my pants in front of all other girls, before i knew someone else pulled my jockey down too.. i was so embarrassed of loving trance that day i cant even say.

ps: i quickly pulled up my pants and left the house party. Since than i never listen to house music.

trance/techno in public = scooter
its better to say house or just electronica

Over the past 18 months or so I have interviewed quite a few trance personalities and a smattering of people from other scenes, and what always strikes me about the club trance producers is how fucking clueless they are about electronic music as a whole.

Usually they drop the name of a producer they see as credible, such as Jean-Michel Jarre, and then claim that this person influenced them. After that, they proceed to show their ignorance of the history and contemporary state of electronic music by saying that their tracks have a big techno or house influence or some other complete garbage. When I make this statement I'm thinking mainly of Dutch trance DJs under the age of 30. In contrast, the psy-trance, techno and house producers seem to be quite aware of where electronic music has come from and what the scenes they are not part of are like. A lot of the time, these more knowledgeable people used to produce trance themselves.

It seems to me that for a lot of people, trance is an introduction to electronic music and a fairly infantile one at that. All the serious people seem to move on to more creative and diverse genres, while the clueless idiots who should have stuck with pop/rock continue listening to trance. Again I'm talking about that Dutch under-30 bracket. This is funny because here in Melbourne, it's the complete opposite. Most people seem to cut their teeth on commercial house, and it's only when they've adjusted to the repetition and speed of that music that they move on to trance, which is perceived as more obnoxious and harder to appreciate.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Over the past 18 months or so I have interviewed quite a few trance personalities and a smattering of people from other scenes, and what always strikes me about the club trance producers is how fucking clueless they are about electronic music as a whole. Usually they drop the name of a producer they see as credible, such as Jean-Michel Jarre, and then claim that this person influenced them. After that, they proceed to show their ignorance of the history and contemporary state of electronic music by saying that their tracks have a big techno or house influence or some other complete garbage. When I make this statement I'm thinking mainly of Dutch trance DJs under the age of 30. In contrast, the psy-trance, techno and house producers seem to be quite aware of where electronic music has come from and what the scenes they are not part of are like. A lot of the time, these more knowledgeable people used to produce trance themselves. It seems to me that for a lot of people, trance is an introduction to electronic music and a fairly infantile one at that. All the serious people seem to move on to more creative and diverse genres, while the clueless idiots who should have stuck with pop/rock continue listening to trance. Again I'm talking about that Dutch under-30 bracket. This is funny because here in Melbourne, it's the complete opposite. Most people seem to cut their teeth on commercial house, and it's only when they've adjusted to the repetition and speed of that music that they move on to trance, which is perceived as more obnoxious and harder to appreciate.

I also get that impression of young dutch djs. Often very clueless.

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Originally posted by Domesticated When I make this statement I'm thinking mainly of Dutch trance DJs under the age of 30.

Never knew there were that many young Dutch Trance DJ's.
How many DJ's did you interview?
And were these non-trance DJ's also under 30 (and Dutch)?

Also I don't get why you should have a lot of knowledge of the scenes where you are not part of. Maybe knowledge of the scene were you are part of even isn't necessary. DJ's need to enjoy crowds, not much more IMO.

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All the serious people seem to move on to more creative and diverse genres, while the clueless idiots who should have stuck with pop/rock continue listening to trance.

Sorry, but IMO you're really talking bullshit here. Ever heard of taste or enjoying dancing?
Ever thought that people who like trance also enjoy other genres?

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Ever heard of taste...

I've heard yours is terrible.

i had alot troubles earlier with my friends..relationships etc
but it doesn't matter i never been embarrased..nothing can beat the trance music if there something u really like u still like it even the
sound abit changed..

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Never knew there were that many young Dutch Trance DJ's. How many DJ's did you interview? And were these non-trance DJ's also under 30 (and Dutch)? Also I don't get why you should have a lot of knowledge of the scenes where you are not part of. Maybe knowledge of the scene were you are part of even isn't necessary. DJ's need to enjoy crowds, not much more IMO. Sorry, but IMO you're really talking bullshit here. Ever heard of taste or enjoying dancing? Ever thought that people who like trance also enjoy other genres?

Having knowledge of where the music you play stems from is very important if you want to progress your sound into something more unique. Knowledge is a good thing. You can never have enough of it especially if as an artist you want to expand your sound to do something that hasn't been done before or blend styles that had yet to be blended.

No ones saying know everything about every genre, just be aware of them.

Just my opinion.

The comment about dutch trance DJ's has truth to it and it stems from incidents where Tiesto or Armin begin to call the tracks they produce or play "Minimal" or "Techno" where in most cases thats farthest from the truth.

No one said don't go out and have fun dancing either.

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Originally posted by Dj Minaya Having knowledge of where the music you play stems from is very important if you want to progress your sound into something more unique. Knowledge is a good thing. You can never have enough of it especially if as an artist you want to expand your sound to do something that hasn't been done before or blend styles that had yet to be blended.

I don't think a DJ really needs that, but for a producer I think you're right.

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The comment about dutch trance DJ's has truth to it and it stems from incidents where Tiesto or Armin begin to call the tracks they produce or play "Minimal" or "Techno" where in most cases thats farthest from the truth.

Tiesto and Armin are way over 30. But Armin and also Ferry still look young

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No one said don't go out and have fun dancing either.

You said "while the clueless idiots who should have stuck with pop/rock continue listening to trance".
I guess many of those idiots just listen trance because they enjoy dancing and have fun. Probably they only listen it in the weekends.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I've heard yours is terrible.

You have a hearing problem. I don't have taste, so difficult to hear someone talk about it...

The 'people are just jealous of trance' theory has made me laugh the most so far. It reminds me of those kids at school who would get bullied and their mums would tell them not to worry and that the other kids were just jealous.

It wasn't jealousy at all. It's because the kid was either fat, special or had a shit coat.

Jealous of trance

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike The 'people are just jealous of trance' theory has made me laugh the most so far. It reminds me of those kids at school who would get bullied and their mums would tell them not to worry and that the other kids were just jealous. It wasn't jealousy at all. It's because the kid was either fat, special or had a shit coat. Jealous of trance

This may be the most apt comparison ever made.
And that's because the bully usually has issues with self-worth and esteem and tries to feel better about being a prospectless loser who can't aspire to anything greater in life than beating up the fat kid. These guys also often got beaten up by their unloving father, which clearly is the only possible reason why anyone would listen to Minimal.

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