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-- Krousis [big room progressive house]
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absolutely LOVING this mix. listened to it at my computer, well most of it. i'm burning it to a cd and bumping it in my car where it will probably be repeatedly played many, many times. especially loving the start, atmospheric awesomeness.

Thanks to all who have downloaded and/or commented, it means a lot to me.

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Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch This is one of my favorite styles of music, that sadly, not a lot of people play out nowadays.

Definitely grab this then:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=539964

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Originally posted by Domesticated Definitely grab this then: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=539964

Thanks for the tip.

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This is a great set - somewhere between prog house and prog trance. Technically it seemed perfect to me, and the music was really nice. I don't listen to much of this music anymore, but when I do this is exactly the kind of stuff I like. Bassey yet melodic at the same time.

I listened twice so far, and can't really think of anything else to say - it was very good from every aspect I could gauge. If I ever have any other impressions I'll be sure to let you know!

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'm not a massive fan of longer DJ sets for home listening. There's a different style of programming required for a longer set, and it's pretty difficult to keep a set taut and interesting. John Digweed said something about how a DJ set in a club over several hours involves a series of anthemic peaks balanced out with plenty of lower-key tracks so the dancefloor doesn't get knackered. On a mix CD he cuts out the low-key tracks and just plays the best in a concentrated dose. I agree, and 60-80 minutes is an ideal length for a set at home.

I agree with you that there is a different style but I think you have it backwards. I personally have seen Sasha & Digweed 3 times and what you mention is exactly what he/they do in a club environment and it's to his detriment! Those sets he/they play clubbing would be great listening sets at home but he/they just dropped too low too often and the floor showed it. In a studio set (which are usually made for home use) you have the ability to play tracks (and play more of them throughout a set) that you wouldn't necessarily use or use as often in a club environment. I drop way lighter in my studio sets then when playing for people live and I also throw 4-5 peaks and valleys in whereas in a club environment I'll still play all sides of Prog house and trance that I enjoy but I'm at most using 3 peaks and valleys in a set. When people are dancing to your set in a 2 hour span you only really need 1 or 2 breaks from the action. This is the problem with most prog dj's I've seen in the last few years, they just play too fucking light too often for a club environment. If I'm going to see someone play live I want them to have fairly continuous progression because that progression is equal to my level of excitement. If you drop and build too many times it loses it's luster and the action isn't as exciting in concurrent attempts.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J 135bpm prog is not sofa music, unless you're a grooveless speed demon.

Speed has nothing to do with sofa or club music. I know there are several times where some of my slower sets I've made have more drive and energy than some of the faster sets I've made. I also find that a lot of the epic trance sets (140ish bpm)I've heard lately have been some of the most relaxing and chill at home stuff i've heard. In the end the bpm just makes up how fast the groove is going, but I mean with compression and sound shaping you can even make a track at 130 SOUND faster than a track at 136-140. There's no real way to signify any of this it all just depends on each individual track, but I don't think making generalizations about music forms and speeds does anybody any good.

Stub; I downloaded this a while back and it's in my stack of about 5-6 sets and I'll be getting to it soon. Really psyched with all of the nice comments and obv I'm a big fan of the genre Will give ya a proper review when I finish.

In on this after I listen to that Bedrock tribute mix someone posted here.

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Originally posted by woscar In on this after I listen to that Bedrock tribute mix someone posted here.

Thanks mate.

I've actually already downloaded SSS 5, but I haven't had a chance to listen yet. Will do this weekend.

This was really nice. If I were to head to a large club to hear some progressive house I'd dance my ass off to this. Nice smooth mixing, great flow, and some really interesting track choices. A lot of the housey / psy sounding stuff was particularly interesting, especially near the end.

Thanks for sharing and keep em coming.

<3 the original version of my lexicon.

I thought the first few tracks in the mix were great, and I really liked the prog psy stuff towards the end. I didn't care for the middle and last couple of tracks as much (i'm at work so i'm not really paying attention to track numbers, sorry). The tracks were all fine and better than most stuff I hear when I go out, but it was a little too "prototypically proggy" for me. I expected it going in so its not a big deal, just a difference in taste. The mixing was consistently very smooth with fantastic beatmatching, so props on that, but nothing ever stood out as being particularly "imaginative" either.


Overall I'd give it a 7.5/10. Good way to help spend an hour downloading pdf's.

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Originally posted by Sadface <3 the original version of my lexicon. I thought the first few tracks in the mix were great, and I really liked the prog psy stuff towards the end. I didn't care for the middle and last couple of tracks as much (i'm at work so i'm not really paying attention to track numbers, sorry). The tracks were all fine and better than most stuff I hear when I go out, but it was a little too "prototypically proggy" for me. I expected it going in so its not a big deal, just a difference in taste. The mixing was consistently very smooth with fantastic beatmatching, so props on that, but nothing ever stood out as being particularly "imaginative" either. Overall I'd give it a 7.5/10. Good way to help spend an hour downloading pdf's.

Thanks mate, I appreciate the review.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 When people are dancing to your set in a 2 hour span you only really need 1 or 2 breaks from the action.

He wasn't talking about a two hour set. He was talking about a proper club set. Here's the quote:

"All the tracks I use on my mix albums are tracks I play out in the clubs, but obviously in a club I'll be playing for five or six hours. So it's about breaking it down to the best tracks, there's certain tracks which sound great in a club, and there's certain tracks that sound great in a club but also sound great at home or in the car, in those different listening environments. I want something that every time they hear it, they hear different things coming in because it's put together in a way which is very crafted. When you're in a club environment you'll use certain records as bridges, you'll have peaks and then you'll hold them off for a little while, you can't have them just going mad the whole time because they'll wear themselves out over five hours. But obviously with a CD, it's not about going mad, but you want the real quality ones, not the bridges."

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Speed has nothing to do with sofa or club music. I know there are several times where some of my slower sets I've made have more drive and energy than some of the faster sets I've made. I also find that a lot of the epic trance sets (140ish bpm)I've heard lately have been some of the most relaxing and chill at home stuff i've heard

I was subjected to epic trance in a club on Friday, and for all the maudlin half-tempo melodies and complete lack of real basslines, it was still BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG every track. There is no way around that. The only way a kick drum at 140bpm doesn't sound energetic is if you aren't hearing it on a good system

135bpm prog like this is not sofa music. It wasn't designed to be heard on a sofa. As the mix title suggests, it's aimed at the dancefloor. 135bpm with nice solid bottom ends like the tracks Domesticated has used is not fucking sofa music. You play it on the dancefloor, it goes off. The only people who find it "chill" are tactless trancecrackers used to blowing their loads at full-speed in two hour quickies.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J 135bpm prog like this is not sofa music. It wasn't designed to be heard on a sofa. As the mix title suggests, it's aimed at the dancefloor. 135bpm with nice solid bottom ends like the tracks Domesticated has used is not fucking sofa music. You play it on the dancefloor, it goes off. The only people who find it "chill" are tactless trancecrackers used to blowing their loads at full-speed in two hour quickies.

Chill out, dude, it's just fucking music.

Some people would prefer this in a club, some people would prefer it on a fucking sofa. Get over it.

No, fuck off. I'm still annoyed at the whole J00F debacle on Friday, and after wasting good money I feel justified in being annoyed at this "slam it down for two hours" mentality of trance jocks who've no idea about pacing and structuring a whole night.

I don't want to ruin Domesticated's thread, but you like many other people on this forum are an elitist prick without the slightest bit of tolerance for other people's tastes in music. I like face melting full-on psytrance, groovy prog-psy, and even certain types of house. Make fun of me, go ahead. But Domesticated's thread doesn't deserve your incessant bitching about your hatred for trance DJ's. I don't give the slightest fuck what type of club experience you would prefer, but quit blanketing this whole forum with your retarded fucking stereotypes.

But go ahead, make fun of Magadansky for liking Goa trance and listening to this set on the couch. Make fun of me for being a "trance cracker" that blows my load at full speed for 2 hours. Say whatever you want, you're still a snobby, elitist fuck.

I'd like to change the subject back to Krousis. This set was tasty music, regardless of your musical preference. Those who haven't listened need to do so.

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Originally posted by ziptnf I don't want to ruin Domesticated's thread, but you like many other people on this forum are an elitist prick without the slightest bit of tolerance for other people's tastes in music.

And you're one of the forum's most over-sensitive wet blankets, who throws a tantrum at the slightest provocation. Man the fuck up. If you paid attention to my posts around this forum, you'd probably realise I have plenty of tolerance. You're only throwing around these accusations because your ego has (needlessly) taken a knock from my opinion on shit trance DJs.

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But Domesticated's thread doesn't deserve your incessant bitching about your hatred for trance DJ's. I don't give the slightest fuck what type of club experience you would prefer, but quit blanketing this whole forum with your retarded fucking stereotypes.

Actually, I'm sure he's pleased I'm keeping his mix at the top of Page 1, where it will get far more downloads than if it was allowed to drop off onto the next page. I wish people would come into my threads and argue about semi-related topics. Feel free to bombard my next mix with insults about my snobbish prickish nature.

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But go ahead, make fun of Magadansky for liking Goa trance and listening to this set on the couch. Make fun of me for being a "trance cracker" that blows my load at full speed for 2 hours. Say whatever you want, you're still a snobby, elitist fuck.

I'm not making fun of you or Magadansky, you fucking pussy, unless you count a jokey "grooveless speed demon" comment as a cutting insult. The last comment wasn't even directed at you.

I hardly consider myself a "wet blanket" that throws a fit over anything unless it's a direct personal insult. Show me the last time I had a heated debate with someone over petty bullshit. You threw a fit over J00F because some lame trance DJ's were playing before him and the club didn't put together a decent cohesive sound. I simply think all the hatred of other people's taste in the Music Discussion forum has gotten to your head, and you getting pissed off that some people prefer this on the sofa as opposed to a club got under my skin.

You play good music, and you're well-learned on the technical side of most EDM, but you have something against trance and the people who listen to it, and it's getting quite tiresome. I'm sure you really are tolerant of most genres, but the posts I've seen in MD make me think otherwise.

I'm sorry if you think I'm too sensitive, but my opinion has clearly pissed you off and I'M the one throwing a tantrum? Please.

EDIT: The dance music/club scene has changed over the years, and there are plenty of dumbasses who get their rocks off to Basshunter, Lady Gaga and AVB's vocal trance. That's probably why the trance DJ's at the club you went to sucked ass. I wasn't trying to defend those guys, I was just saying that some people like that type of shit. Your comment about how people who find this set "chill" were tactless trancecrackers was unnecessary, that's all I'm saying.

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Originally posted by ziptnf But Domesticated's thread doesn't deserve your incessant bitching about your hatred for trance DJ's. I don't give the slightest fuck what type of club experience you would prefer, but quit blanketing this whole forum with your retarded fucking stereotypes.

I'm actually rather enjoying it. Pretty much every trance jock I've seen in the past 4 or so years has had about as much subtlety as a howitzer, starting with their biggest tracks, and slamming it out for two hours. It's fucking frustrating. Gone are the days of seeing van Buuren open with 125 BPM progressive house and finish with 140 BPM trance 6 hours later.

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Originally posted by Domesticated I'm actually rather enjoying it. Pretty much every trance jock I've seen in the past 4 or so years has had about as much subtlety as a howitzer, starting with their biggest tracks, and slamming it out for two hours. It's fucking frustrating. Gone are the days of seeing van Buuren open with 125 BPM progressive house and finish with 140 BPM trance 6 hours later.

Well, I've read a few armin-only tracklists and it seems that when when he plays 6 hour sets he does start slower and pick it up as time goes on.

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No, fuck off. I'm still annoyed at the whole J00F debacle on Friday, and after wasting good money I feel justified in being annoyed at this "slam it down for two hours" mentality of trance jocks who've no idea about pacing and structuring a whole night.

I think the lack of musical progression in major parties/festivals is more the fault of the promoters and the scene as a whole rather than the individual DJ's. Everyone knows that Jon O'Bir plays tactless big-room trance. For him to show up at a party and play deep prog because his 1am timeslot is "too early" for his music would be silly. Big room trance is the style that he's built his name around and his fans and the party promoters expect it from him. Throwing the punters, the vast majority of whom don't give a rats ass about "flow," an unexpected curveball of a set could potentially damage his reputation in that town which is a risk he can't afford to take as a person who makes a living off the fickle tastes of clubgoers.

Most club nights around here at least will have a local opener and the headliner and thats it. That's great for the flow of the evening because nobody expects anything out of the opener so he can play whatever he needs to build the night before the headliner comes on. With the big multi-headliner parties you see contracts and DJ-politics come into play, with the result that timeslots tend to be determined based on some loose definition of popularity rather than music style, and so you get stuff like your J00F night with poorly arranged timeslots and the occasional disappointed scenester.

Still, the punters keep coming back, so theres no incentive for anything to change. As a clubgoer you just have to know what's up and make your plans accordingly.

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Originally posted by ziptnf I hardly consider myself a "wet blanket" that throws a fit over anything unless it's a direct personal insult. Show me the last time I had a heated debate with someone over petty bullshit.

In my pothead thread in the COR, I made a quip about some obvious advice you gave me, and you threw a hissy fit and told me to stop acting like a prick. In Meat187's genre challenge thread, someone made a joke about you trainwrecking in Traktor and you threw a lot of insults at them. You were extensively trolled in the COR by Jay after you posted a picture of your girlfriend. Despite repeatedly insisting you didn't care, you argued for several pages and posted more pictures.

Basically, you can't take the slightest bit of ribbing or ball-busting without getting stroppy. I've never once seen you give a quip back and engage in any banter.

And I don't have anything against trance. I like trance. Much of my favourite music is trance. I only dislike what trance has become, and all the stupidity and mutual tolerance of bullshit that has allowed it to steadily degrade into a joke genre.

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Originally posted by Sadface Still, the punters keep coming back, so theres no incentive for anything to change. As a clubgoer you just have to know what's up and make your plans accordingly.

This is the kind of thing I'm railing against. Just because something is widespread doesn't mean we should quietly tolerate it. This is a DIY scene where everyone's involvement counts, and the moment we become resigned to the higher powers of money-minded promoters and egotistical DJs we may as well pack up and go home.

The main reason I write about dance music is not because I think my opinion is more worthwhile than anyone else's or I know more, but because there's so much bullshit that needs shouting out against. And the more of us who shout out, the more new kids or up-and-coming DJs realise that what they're used to isn't necessarily the right way to do things.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J In my pothead thread in the COR, I made a quip about some obvious advice you gave me, and you threw a hissy fit and told me to stop acting like a prick. In Meat187's genre challenge thread, someone made a joke about you trainwrecking in Traktor and you threw a lot of insults at them. You were extensively trolled in the COR by Jay after you posted a picture of your girlfriend. Despite repeatedly insisting you didn't care, you argued for several pages and posted more pictures. Basically, you can't take the slightest bit of ribbing or ball-busting without getting stroppy. I've never once seen you give a quip back and engage in any banter. And I don't have anything against trance. I like trance. Much of my favourite music is trance. I only dislike what trance has become, and all the stupidity and mutual tolerance of bullshit that has allowed it to steadily degrade into a joke genre. This is the kind of thing I'm railing against. Just because something is widespread doesn't mean we should quietly tolerate it. This is a DIY scene where everyone's involvement counts, and the moment we become resigned to the higher powers of money-minded promoters and egotistical DJs we may as well pack up and go home. The main reason I write about dance music is not because I think my opinion is more worthwhile than anyone else's or I know more, but because there's so much bullshit that needs shouting out against. And the more of us who shout out, the more new kids or up-and-coming DJs realise that what they're used to isn't necessarily the right way to do things.

I feel you there. It just seemed like you were only blaming O'Bir because the night had poor flow when there were way more factors to consider.

I think that expecting headliner trance DJ's to adjust their playing style based on timeslot in todays EDM scene is just being too idealistic because the realities of the trance scene do not support outside the box dj-ing. It's something to appreciate when it does happen, but you just have to expect the worst or you'll find yourself perpetually disappointed.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J In my pothead thread in the COR, I made a quip about some obvious advice you gave me, and you threw a hissy fit and told me to stop acting like a prick. In Meat187's genre challenge thread, someone made a joke about you trainwrecking in Traktor and you threw a lot of insults at them. You were extensively trolled in the COR by Jay after you posted a picture of your girlfriend. Despite repeatedly insisting you didn't care, you argued for several pages and posted more pictures.

The thing with Jay was definitely a personal insult, but that's about it. The traktor thing was taken slightly out of hand, I shouldn't have gotten mad at that dude for complaining about software. And I didn't think I threw a hissy fit over your comment in the pothead thread, I just called you a prick

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Basically, you can't take the slightest bit of ribbing or ball-busting without getting stroppy. I've never once seen you give a quip back and engage in any banter.

There's a difference between jokingly giving someone shit, and calling them out on something. I don't see what the point is in trolling people, I don't really care for the constant "ball-busting" that goes on in this forum. I'm not the type of person to dish out insults to people, and don't really appreciate receiving them, so that makes me a pussy?

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And I don't have anything against trance. I like trance. Much of my favourite music is trance. I only dislike what trance has become, and all the stupidity and mutual tolerance of bullshit that has allowed it to steadily degrade into a joke genre.

I agree with you here, trust me, I think most people are disappointed with trance these days, which is why so many people are tired of it. I just don't understand the constant tirade against it, not just by you, but the whole forum. If some people still like it, that's their preference.

The whole point to this silly argument we've been having is that if Magadansky and I want to listen to this set on the sofa, it should be acceptable.

I will name my next set "Grooveless Speed Demon"

But still some people enjoy different things differently. It shouldn't be flamed just because you don't feel it the same way. I enjoy pretty much all of those deep/progressive/chill house like that. Having a glass of wine, read a book and relax. Its one of the best genres for studying too, I must add!

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Originally posted by Magadansky I will name my next set "Grooveless Speed Demon"

It's actually a pretty cool name

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