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Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Oct-15-2009 12:21:

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Originally posted by studiobob
your aware that the "troll" from earlier does actually have a point. call on me was written by a 14 year old bedroom producer, and mr prydz bought the track off him.

what software was used, im not sure but he had certainly cracked the sidechaining side of production...

and I know this because my studio partner knows the guy who did the original track!

What? The hook in "Call On Me" is lifted directly out of a 1982 song (though it was rerecorded for Prdyz's track).

Posted by Richard Butler on Oct-15-2009 12:42:

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Originally posted by DJ RANN
ABBA is becuase the mixdowns are good (which they are in fairness) - It's becuase they knew how to write stunningly simple, catchy tunes. PERIOD.

No, on a documentary the guys said thier sucess was yes down to catchy melodies, but more down to thier new ways of making sounds. They were one of the first to use synths and all sorts of complex recording techniques. They themselves were hands on - I'm not putting it down to engineers here.

Look, there are masses of examples of old 70's non hits that have become massive house hits down the years - so if it was merely down to melody then why were the originals not big hits?

There are a lot of people that can write nice melodies, but not so many that can come up with a magic combination of sounds and vibe to bring those melodies to life.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Oct-15-2009 12:44:

There are certainly other factors in things becoming hits, like novelty (new sounds), cultural relevance (themes of the music), publicity, and pure luck. But at the core of it all is melodies, hooks.

Posted by Richard Butler on Oct-15-2009 12:46:

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Originally posted by mysticalninja

Simple tunes don't sound good without a spiffy mix, and the 'catchyness' is largely due to the sound.

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This.
Also some people are thinking back to the 60's and 70's when the 'sound' was not so important. For sure back then the melody was king.

Again I checked last night on TV to make sure I'm not imagining things, and yep, there were loads of current hits that are mostly about feel and sonics.

Like someone said above, it's the totality of the sonic experience. Of course good melody can play a role, but without that special spmething in the sonic delivery, forget it.

Posted by evo8 on Oct-15-2009 15:57:

Posted by studiobob on Oct-15-2009 20:14:

you are now

Posted by evo8 on Oct-16-2009 17:29:

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Originally posted by studiobob
you are now

No as in No, you are wrong.

Posted by RichieV on Oct-16-2009 17:54:

i think the missing part here is that all the chords and melodies have already been used up so having a catchy melody is sort of a precursor. There are no new chords or melodies being made up. THat is why there is a big emphasis on production. It is taken for granted that a song will be catchy because it is almost like pluging in a piece of computer code these days.

The only real thing changing in music since the 70s is production,

Posted by studiobob on Oct-16-2009 18:09:

quote:
Originally posted by evo8
No as in No, you are wrong.

oh right i see.

Posted by studiobob on Oct-16-2009 18:11:

quote:
Originally posted by studiobob
oh right i see.

the fact my studio partner heard the track before it was released has nothing to do with it then. and knows the guy personally. ok

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Oct-16-2009 18:40:

Steve Winwood effectively "wrote" "Call On Me" when he wrote the original hook for his 1982 song "Valerie," since "Call On Me" is based entirely around that single vocal bit. Prydz also got Winwood to re-perform the vocal part to put in his track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anCg5EiB2AM

So what did this unknown person supposedly "write" that Prydz "stole?" The bassline?

Posted by mysticalninja on Oct-17-2009 00:34:

lol he stole a single sawtooth note!

Posted by Zak McKracken on Oct-17-2009 00:41:

he took the only memoriable part of that 80s track. smart dude imo.

Posted by studiobob on Oct-17-2009 15:25:

try googling Big bad baz AKA retarded funk

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Retarded+Funk, member of the bootlegging scene from a few years ago and made it pretty big with his call on me bootleg

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Oct-17-2009 15:43:

Now that I looked it up, Prdyz's mix is actually listed as "Eric Prydz vs. Retarded Funk" mix. Retarded Funk is not going unacknowledged...

Posted by LoveHate on Oct-17-2009 18:50:

quote:
Originally posted by studiobob
the fact my studio partner heard the track before it was released has nothing to do with it then. and knows the guy personally. ok

ok.

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