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Here in Argentina, the Best womens are in the clubs that plays EDM

Of course we have womens in other kind of clubs, but the hottest and more beautiful are in EDM clubs, I estimate an average of 5 girls for a boy.
Have no pictures to share here but if you know a dj who played a gig here in Buenos Aires ask him

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Originally posted by flutlicht junky Hard House/Happy Hardcore

lol uk is such a crazy place.

Women in the U.S. are too trendy and are more concearned with fitting in and being part of the group, instead of being individuals who express themselves freely. I'm willing to bet most U.S. guys who have a passion for EDM were never the social butterfly types. Never were part of the pack. Europeans are more free spirited and indivdualistic in my opinion. Not to say they aren't social...I just think they place a higher value on individualism.

I have a few ideas... And this mostly applies to the US because well, that's where I live

For the most part, people who are into EDM, are really into it. I'd say a large majority of people that listen to EDM listen to it almost exclusively and are very into it. They/We go out and find styles we like, radio shows, podcasts, etc that fit our EDM taste and listen to it, because we're into it, a lot, it's our hobby. Some people play baseball, we EDM.

Girls I seem to find, aren't into shit. Nothing. Most girls I know have no hobbies, no passions, perhaps a career-oriented life goal but other than that I can't think of a single girl that I know that has something she's into on the side. They're days revolve around looking pretty and going out on the weekend, where ever other people say the cool place to go is. Girls tend to be more followers than leaders.

People who listen to run-of-the-mill whatever is on the radio have litte preference. They like stuff that is familiar to them. Most girls, stemming from lacking a hobby, listen to whatever is on the radio or in mainstream media whether they actually like the music or not, they know it, it's familiar. And when they listen to music, it's just on, in the background, they talk over it, and it's insignificant.

I'll tell ya when I'm in the car with a girl/date, I tend NOT to put on EDM because I end up not listening to her because I get so focused on the music lol.



And on that note... I need to go join beamrider in Argentina hahha.

music has an inherently female energy.
thus, more men are drawn to it.

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Originally posted by RoBDaWG womans has no hobby

damn spot on, didnt think of that but when u say I dont know any female doing shit at all except whats expected of them; cafe, facebook. Some attend school/studies atleast. no wonder their emos, they dont have anything, no meaning, no goals no whatever. damn i think id kill myself if i where a woman lol.

Re: Theories on why so few women follow EDM?

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley I believe another factor is if you're into EDM djing/producing/business (which is about 99% of EDM listeners now) you are without a doubt a confident person. I hate to generalize but women seem so insecure. Maybe that's another reason?

i hate to generalise, but this is one of the most stupid things i've ever heard LOL.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley What do you guys think the problem is?

I see no problem; most girls I know are into dance music.

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Originally posted by echosystm I see no problem; most girls I know are into dance music.

Likewise. They may not be into it in the obsessive way that many guys are, but I see that as a good thing.

I've had no problem getting girls into house music or downtempo (trip-hop etc.) and even know a bunch that like techno at clubs. Epic trance and other hands-in-the-air crap, yeah, you're probably not gonna get much love there, it's just not sexy music.

Oh, and I'm not much of a junglist but the d'n'b scene is easily 50/50.

I've known a few girls that like EDM but ask them about anything beyond stuff played on Area 38 or in the 16+ shitty clubs out here and they'll just give you blank stares.

My girlfriend doesn't really like it though, it "all sounds the same" in her opinion.

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Originally posted by RoBDaWG Girls I seem to find, aren't into shit. Nothing. Most girls I know have no hobbies, no passions, perhaps a career-oriented life goal but other than that I can't think of a single girl that I know that has something she's into on the side.

It does seem pretty rare to meet girls that are really "into" anything that has no connection to their careers or friends + family. Sad really.

shopping ?
Exercising ?

Yeah it's really sad that they should want to fulfil their purpose as a living organism on the planet rather than fucking around on a computer all day making music. lol.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles It does seem pretty rare to meet girls that are really "into" anything that has no connection to their careers or friends + family. Sad really.

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Originally posted by Aesthetic Yeah it's really sad that they should want to fulfil their purpose as a living organism on the planet rather than fucking around on a computer all day making music. lol.

Production and reproduction are not mutually exclusive, and I never said they were. ;-)

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Originally posted by RoBDaWG I have a few ideas... And this mostly applies to the US because well, that's where I live For the most part, people who are into EDM, are really into it. I'd say a large majority of people that listen to EDM listen to it almost exclusively and are very into it. They/We go out and find styles we like, radio shows, podcasts, etc that fit our EDM taste and listen to it, because we're into it, a lot, it's our hobby. Some people play baseball, we EDM. Girls I seem to find, aren't into shit. Nothing. Most girls I know have no hobbies, no passions, perhaps a career-oriented life goal but other than that I can't think of a single girl that I know that has something she's into on the side. They're days revolve around looking pretty and going out on the weekend, where ever other people say the cool place to go is. Girls tend to be more followers than leaders. People who listen to run-of-the-mill whatever is on the radio have litte preference. They like stuff that is familiar to them. Most girls, stemming from lacking a hobby, listen to whatever is on the radio or in mainstream media whether they actually like the music or not, they know it, it's familiar. And when they listen to music, it's just on, in the background, they talk over it, and it's insignificant. I'll tell ya when I'm in the car with a girl/date, I tend NOT to put on EDM because I end up not listening to her because I get so focused on the music lol. And on that note... I need to go join beamrider in Argentina hahha.

In fairness you do live in Jersey so no wonder

I have to agree about the sheer ridiculousness of the generalizations in this thread - and I think the main point is that it varies from country to country and in a lot of cases city to city.

For instance, in London back in the 90's, it was easily a 50/50 split and sometimes the men were seriously outnumbered in a lot of clubs especially the more dressy ones. The more druggy and more ghetto the more men there were but still a large contingent woman at nearly any given club.

Here in LA, I find a decent mix of male female in most clubs apart from it seems with the less mainstream DJ names (more underground) at the large venues in which case they turn in to a complete sausage fest every time.

With the very big names it seems more ladies come out to party - DJ like sander K, Carl Cox, Sanchez etc.

But, there's also another major factor - the music itself.

If you go to a good house or deep house night, like DEEP at vanguard, you easily get a 50/50 split and the crowd is also a bit older and more discerning, but if you go to Avalon when a big trance DJ is playing it's more often that not a toatl cockfest.

John Fleming said something quite interesting a few years ago - "women like it (the music) more funky and have something for the to hold on to and interect with such as a vocal where as the average bloke will like sightly deeper tracks."

And that's coming from a trance DJ. I think women also like to see more of a performance from a DJ where as men go to hear tracks slightly more.

I'm lucky, my GF is in to EDM as was before I met met but then again she's European and I think the same can be said of most European countries, that girls are in to EDM. Places like Holland, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark etc, have huge female EDM fanbases.

Haha i see what you did there. But i'd rather a woman who has more nurturing qualities and helps make it a happy home for me, than to be sleeping with the female version of da vinci

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Production and reproduction are not mutually exclusive, and I never said they were. ;-)

Re: Theories on why so few women follow EDM?

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Watcha got. I rememeber reading one time that men heavily preferred "instrumental" music in a study versus vocal music. I believe another factor is if you're into EDM djing/producing/business (which is about 99% of EDM listeners now) you are without a doubt a confident person. I hate to generalize but women seem so insecure. Maybe that's another reason? Regardless of it all, we need more hot b!tches listening to our music. We've got way too many chiefs and not enough female indians. What do you guys think the problem is?

Change the game man its all in the promotion. How do people expect women to like the music when the industry is built on promoting it to the dj's (aka men).

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Change the game man its all in the promotion. How do people expect women to like the music when the industry is built on promoting it to the dj's (aka men).

Yup! Very true.

BTW, my girl is into EDM too. She just likes the Latin Indie EDM stuff & some cheese.

She's gone to Avalon, Circus & Vanguard with me. But everytime I take her to a very hardcore gig like Digweed or Sasha, she freaks out and says everyone looks like zombies! lol I think James Holden was a bit too dark for her too. lol But I did see a lot more girls there that night.

I see lots of ladies loving dance music, but not DJing or producing. Well here's my theories from a United Statesian point of view:

-DJ/Producing involves gadgetry. Supposedly, ladies hate gadgets, and anything mechanical or whatever.

-It's an introverted hobby, and it's socially acceptable for men to be introverted, but I don't think this is how it is for the ladies. Many times you'll be producing alone, as opposed to a band where you'll have to

-It's considered wierd/nerdy--wierd and nerdy is a field dominated by men. Dance music gets a lot of hate here in the USA. People will look at you like you're a serial killer if you admit you like dance music. I guarantee you that to the ladies, they'd see that a guy with a guitar is cooler than a guy with a laptop.

Yes, these are all generalizations. I expect to be called sexist at any moment now, but I suggest you go to a sociology proffessor, and he or she might agree with me on these generalizations on women, and I guarantee you that despite the freedoms you are given, 90% of people will conform to gender norms.

If you are clueless or dont get out much, you believe women dont follow EDM. Which is a shame if you run a label. I'd say get out more and get clued in, will do wonders if you want to do something through EDM.

With that said, there is room for growth, the possibility that not enough women are into EDM simply means EDM has enormous room for growth.

To add to that, women are some of the most hardcore EDM fans you will find. I know women who go to their favorite DJs shows religously, they are actually the most loyal fans. They seem to build an attachment, the DJ mesmerizes them at a show and they're hooked. And the OP is ignorant as usual, he thinks all EDM music is instrumental, therefore women dont like it...when the genre he is into is full of vocal tracks

I don't know the scene very well, but there seems to be a lot of women in techno. a lot of the big names in techno are women for example: ellen allien, magda just to name a few.

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Originally posted by Stylz Women are more concearned with fitting in and being part of the group

+1

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Originally posted by DjWoody BTW, my girl is into EDM too. She just likes the Latin Indie EDM stuff & some cheese. But everytime I take her to a very hardcore gig like Digweed or Sasha, she freaks.

My wife freaks out at the likes of Digweed and Sasha, but for totally different reasons. In her world it's a load of cheesy crap, she will only barely accept Marco V and SVD.
She thinks that lyrics are too fluffy and unless the bass blows your head off it's a waste of time.

Generally in the UK you get a pretty good split in clubs and I think in general this thread generalises too much. Not to mention one or two really scary opinions on women.

With regards to Gay clubs... you get heaps of straight women and men for that matter who go there because the music is often better than in mainstream clubs in their opinion.

I think it's a pretty fair generalisation to say that men are more active in scenes whatever they may be, but that doesn't mean women are any less into it in other ways.

The difference can often be like this...

A man sees or hears something that he appreciates, he has to copy, immitate and become part of that thing.

A woman can often sit back and enjoy something in a different way but doesn't always feel the desire to be able to master it.

It's just a typical example of men being different from women, and there are always exceptions to everything.

I doubt that the state of affairs as described in this thread by posters is actually related to EDM per se, but rather because EDM is not the main interest at the moment and you get less people generally who will go to EDM nights state side.

The last Trance gig I played was mainly women about 65 to 35 split. The atmosphere was excellent and the dirtier the bass got the more the floor got into it. What was initially billed as a Trance night ended up almost being a full on techtrance night instead. But it's what the crowd wanted.
We started off lighter with funk and vocals, got people into it and then released the mayhem and never saw any reason to look back. It was a good night and everyone was happy.

We had 4 DJs who know how to read the crowd and that makes a world of difference.

Female dancers will often show their lack of interest by leaving the floor or the club all together. Men will challenge the DJ by gestures or walking up with the classic lines like 'when are you going to play something good'.

Celebrate the differences and accept them for what they are, it will make your life simpler and more enjoyable.

Cheers
Nem

Ermmm, R&B /pop etc are primarily electronic productions now.

I'd say in the right setting women enjoy EDM just as much as men, definitely the case here anyway, and in IBIZA which is the holiday EDM experience.

But women are'nt so into EDM as background or driving music as they get sick of the thump thump. Is a reaosn why I get fed up with everyone on forums saying you need a bigger more pwerful kick, because in fact the kck ends up dominating everything especially for non dance music addicts.

Gals are'nt into production just as in general they are'nt into tweaking thier car for years on end or fishing.

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