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Originally posted by PivotTechno So how many TA's, rather than griping on the board (which I'm sure City Council reads daily), are actually taking the time to email the mayor, their councillor and Adam Giambrone to express their displeasure with this situation? Takes all of 5 minutes.

I'm not a citizen of Toronto. But I see Mayor Hazel from time to time and am quite vocal about pleased I am working and living in her city. If I lived in Toronto you can bet I would be saying something. I have emailed my MPP many times in opposition to the HST and Health Premium.

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I think talking about issues on these forums is very positive. Sometimes you learn about issues not covered in detail or at all on the news. It gives the readers an opporitunity to really understand and appriciate the different views of different people. It may seem like bitching and griping, and many times it is, but it is
1. a way to express your opinion,

2. listen to the opinions of others, and

3. stay up to date with issues that dont have biased editorials attached to their stories. The initial post in a thread may be biased, but through discussion, other points of views receive equal attention, which the media does not permit.

I kinda feel that emailing in my complaints fall on deaf ears. Excuse my ignorance, but is their any proof that public outcry of emails has ever stopped the government from raising prices/taxes?

I feel we're just pawns in their game.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno So how many TA's, rather than griping on the board (which I'm sure City Council reads daily), are actually taking the time to email the mayor, their councillor and Adam Giambrone to express their displeasure with this situation? Takes all of 5 minutes.

i routinely write letters to politicians and harass them on facebook LOL

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Originally posted by MissK I kinda feel that emailing in my complaints fall on deaf ears. Excuse my ignorance, but is their any proof that public outcry of emails has ever stopped the government from raising prices/taxes? I feel we're just pawns in their game.

yes and no

a single email does not make a difference. But collectively the public can make a difference. If that email is one of thousands then it makes an impact. Especially at election time. Sadly in Canada, not enough people care to vote anymore and politicians are exploiting that.

Only people with specific interests tend to vote. Seniors and union workers to be exact. And this is why although the general public bitches about it, we keep getting screwed. Why would these guys change their game when they know they are going to get re-elected anyways? Look at Miller and Mcguinty and the damage they did before they got re-elected.

If the electorate were informed and came out in force i think youd see politicians clean up their act rather quickly. And a change may be coming just like when everyone clued in after Bob Rae's NDP reign and voted in Harris. And to think, Mcguinty now makes Rae look like a financial genius!!

Tough times are ahead for toronto and ontario. Vote left and it will mean more taxes, more debt and possible bankruptcy. Vote right and it will mean service cuts (which is probably the only proper thing to do at the moment). But you can thank years of overspending by mostly left wing governments for leaving the mess that the next government will have to deal with.

One more thing..

Canadians have to stop being so selfish.

Quit voting for politicians that dangle carrots in your faces. When they promise this service and that service but cant explain how it will be paid for, this should concern you.

An honest politician would run on the following statement at this point:

"tough times are ahead and we are all going to have to do our part. unfortunately we cannot live beyond our means any longer and we will all have to make sacrifices and make do with fewer public services until we can get our finances under control. If we don't do it voluntarily today under our own premise, we will be forced to in the future at the hands of others"

This is a politician id vote for. Sadly since people are too selfish, this speech would be his/her kiss of death.

Why are you against this jayx1?

You seem usualy on the right fiscally.

Making people pay for the services they get is something you should applaud.

Don't forget, a TTC fare is not a tax, it's something you pay for a service in return.

$126 for the non-plan Metropass means you'd have to take the TTC twice daily for 6 times a week in order to break even on cost.

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Originally posted by malek Why are you against this jayx1? You seem usualy on the right fiscally. Making people pay for the services they get is something you should applaud. Don't forget, a TTC fare is not a tax, it's something you pay for a service in return.

Except when its a public run monopoly.

A right wing approach would be to let private companies compete for your business. Argentina has this approach and the service was cheap (even for them), reliable and frequent.

Now what was that about $1 billion on street cars we dont need???

Cue communist street car pic: LOL

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Originally posted by dEsidEL $126 for the non-plan Metropass means you'd have to take the TTC twice daily for 6 times a week in order to break even on cost.

doesn't matter what the new price is - the only way to actually SAVE using the pass is to either get it discounted or share it... as much as it's convinient to just have the card, tokens ARE cheaper :\

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew doesn't matter what the new price is - the only way to actually SAVE using the pass is to either get it discounted or share it... as much as it's convinient to just have the card, tokens ARE cheaper :\

I have been using tokens this whole year. I only need the ttc to and from work 5 days a week. And so tokens are cheaper.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew doesn't matter what the new price is - the only way to actually SAVE using the pass is to either get it discounted or share it... as much as it's convinient to just have the card, tokens ARE cheaper :\

I agree. fortunately i get a volume pricing plan through my employer which makes it worthwhile otherwise I would just buy tokens or a car.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew doesn't matter what the new price is - the only way to actually SAVE using the pass is to either get it discounted or share it... as much as it's convinient to just have the card, tokens ARE cheaper :\

I figure it costs me about $100 a month to run my car.. Roughly the same as the TTC charges.

The extra cost of paying for my car and the insurance means i actually own something. Also it means i can go anywhere i want at any time.

Also, when i leave toronto i dont have to pay an additional GO pass, YRT pass, Via rail ticket etc etc.

In the long run having a car works out to slightly more than public transit but pays by saving a lot of time (time is money) and convenience.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL I agree. fortunately i get a volume pricing plan through my employer which makes it worthwhile otherwise I would just buy tokens or a car.

I used to get a card from York until that got cut off it was like $94 or $96
I know some employers have the discounted program going, however we don't

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Originally posted by Jayx1 An honest politician

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

TTC has no business raising rates. Our transit system is about as big a joke as an honest politician

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I figure it costs me about $100 a month to run my car.. Roughly the same as the TTC charges. The extra cost of paying for my car and the insurance means i actually own something. Also it means i can go anywhere i want at any time. Also, when i leave toronto i dont have to pay an additional GO pass, YRT pass, Via rail ticket etc etc. In the long run having a car works out to slightly more than public transit but pays by saving a lot of time (time is money) and convenience.

to each their own - I TTC roughly 4 times a week, if it rains or if I'm going out, so my transit costs are pretty minimal

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Originally posted by Jayx1 In the long run having a car works out to slightly more than public transit but pays by saving a lot of time (time is money) and convenience.

it also depends largely on where you live. if you live and work say in downtown, I'd think using a car to get around (within dt) on the regular would likely be pretty cost prohibitive.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew I used to get a card from York until that got cut off it was like $94 or $96 I know some employers have the discounted program going, however we don't

you should try talking to them about it. it's a non-taxable benefit they can provide and it comes at no additional cost to them (i believe the unused passes are returned to the TTC for a refund after each month). minimum volume purchase is only 50 passes for a 12 month term. I'm sure you have at least 50 ppl who work at Cannex that take the subway on the regular

more info here:
http://www3.ttc.ca/Fares_and_passes...s_VIP/index.jsp

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Originally posted by dEsidEL you should try talking to them about it. it's a non-taxable benefit they can provide and it comes at no additional cost to them (i believe the unused passes are returned to the TTC for a refund after each month). minimum volume purchase is only 50 passes for a 12 month term. I'm sure you have at least 50 ppl who work at Cannex that take the subway on the regular more info here: http://www3.ttc.ca/Fares_and_passes...s_VIP/index.jsp

hhaha awww well, there is only 20 of us in the office, unfortunately about 5 people drive, 2 of us walk every day 2 or 3 ppl use the GTA pass.. so yeah, most probably not happening

HAHAHAHAHAAHA. There is a new show starting on CP24 called On The Rocket hosted by Adam Giambronie. Its live from a TTC Streetcar. Can't wait to see this and the comments from the passangers.

Edit: its on from 8pm to 9 pm for those who are interested.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Except when its a public run monopoly. A right wing approach would be to let private companies compete for your business. Argentina has this approach and the service was cheap (even for them), reliable and frequent. Now what was that about $1 billion on street cars we dont need??? Cue communist street car pic: LOL

I agree with you about opening it up to the private sector. But that's another debate altogether.

Be sure though, that if they didn't hike the fare, they would get the money elsewhere (municipal taxes, provincial handouts, etc), and that means in the pockets of those who don't take the TTC at all, which is even worse imo.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Hah just last month I would still care about this. *looks at car and smiles*

buddy! i didn't know this! congrats.

what kind of car did you get?

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Originally posted by malek Be sure though, that if they didn't hike the fare, they would get the money elsewhere (municipal taxes, provincial handouts, etc), and that means in the pockets of those who don't take the TTC at all, which is even worse imo.

And there lies the problem.

The TTC should be forced to run within it's means, not continuously run to the government with it's hands out begging for more money, and not raising it's fare every single year by 3-4 times the rate of inflation.

What do WE, the customer, get for this increased fare? Do we get an improvement of service, cleaner buses/trains, ANYTHING of note besides continued service? No. What we get is a big fat raise for TTC employees (not to say they don't deserve a fair wage, but come on, it's getting ridiculous what some of these employees make for the jobs they do), a continuation of the same shitty 'service' that's been provided for eons, and another year of uncontrolled spending that inevitably results in NEXT year's increase in fares.

On the bright side, maybe the fare increase will keep some of the smellies off the bus. It costs money to stay clean, so maybe there's a chance the smellies can't afford a more expensive ride :P

i think the problem is that the TTC doesn't look out of the box enough on more creative ways to raise funds. It's either raise fares, government support, or cut service.

I think they need to look at more mixed funding sources such as public/private partnerships and leveraging the use of their land.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 what they charge is already outrageous. A monthly pass in New york city is cheaper than toronto is now and look at the service u get there! At least when you pay for your car you own something and its at your disposal at all times. Screw transit.

Nyc has increases with service delays at the same time.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Nyc has increases with service delays at the same time.

yes but the brilliant thing is, if the train is delayed there are usually 4 alternative ways to get there...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 yes but the brilliant thing is, if the train is delayed there are usually 4 alternative ways to get there...

Of course, your comparison then is null and void. I mean I'd love for TO to be even close to Nyc but it's apples and pears. TO does not have many means or alternate options.

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