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Originally posted by david.michael

Fucking lol at "I <3 Existo22"

Looking good man

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Fucking lol at "I <3 Existo22" Looking good man

What are you doing in here?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles What are you doing in here?

I actually browse this forum a lot I just don't post much, since I haven't produced any music in ages.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk I actually browse this forum a lot I just don't post much, since I haven't produced any music in ages.

Same. Looking forward to seeing the final result david.michael

Thanks, guys. Hoping to prime it this weekend!

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Originally posted by alanzo Wrong forum. I think you wanted http:/www.gearslutz.com -- no one here is advanced enough to care about your studio build.

I�m a carpenter, and I like this stuff.. Kepp posting your progress

I like this a lot - and LOL at I heart existo22!

You've got the beginnings of a great space there - the only thing I will say is to be very careful from now on. Choices you make now have huge impact and very difficult to change later on such as the flooring type and method of installation.

Just be really careful about the decisions you make - basements are always a little tricky becuase of their inherent situation but it seems like it's going to be a great studio. Keep posting and I hope I can help at some point

NOW it's getting exciting.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I like this a lot - and LOL at I heart existo22! You've got the beginnings of a great space there - the only thing I will say is to be very careful from now on. Choices you make now have huge impact and very difficult to change later on such as the flooring type and method of installation. Just be really careful about the decisions you make - basements are always a little tricky becuase of their inherent situation but it seems like it's going to be a great studio. Keep posting and I hope I can help at some point

Much obliged. I've already purchased the flooring, so it's a little late for that, but what do you mean by method of installation?

Currently what I have is your typical click-together "Pergo"-style laminate flooring. I have typical underlayment and I planned on maybe doubling it up. I was going to put a large rug under the desk area to help not have such a big flat reflective surface thing going on. Is there another approach I should be taking, here?

Also, keep in mind that there will be a drop-ceiling in here (as you can see from the grid) and there is very little clearance between the tiles and the actual sub-flooring above. The thought crossed my mind of putting something similar to Dynamat (like for car audio installations) in the ceiling since there is so much noise transfer between the upper and lower floors, but I'm sure you have a better solution, so I'm all ears.

Some people use isolation mats under the flooring between underlay and the wood, but I think that's overkill.

There's specific acoustic underlay that will also help deaden sound pass through but it won't make much a difference if you're planning to put a rug on it (which is a very good idea.

One of the common problems with wood floor is reflections which in most cases results unwanted reverberation and to much brightness. With a rug, you're going to considerably lessen that problem.

Carpet honestly would be the best flooring to use but you can still work absolutely fine with wood flooring.

Personally, I would use a mineral wool above the drop ceiling - it will give you broadband frequency absorption and lessen standing waves and low frequency bass issues.

Basically, some frequencies will pass straight those tiles and bounce off the often concrete sub flooring - sometimes they bounce around the space between or pass back through causing all sorts of accuracy issues.

use bunches of mineral wool where possible to pack out the space - if you need to stop spreading fibres everwhere (can be really annoying and gets all over the place),you can spray it with a water mixed with PVC glue - it doesn't block the fibres just sticks them together.

Re-up those pics!

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Originally posted by david.michael NOW it's getting exciting.

So exciting I can't see anything

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Originally posted by aquila So exciting I can't see anything

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Re-up those pics!

Whoops! Sorry, fixed. I moved them to a different Photobucket album, not realizing that it would change the URL.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN One of the common problems with wood floor is reflections which in most cases results unwanted reverberation and to much brightness. With a rug, you're going to considerably lessen that problem. Carpet honestly would be the best flooring to use but you can still work absolutely fine with wood flooring.

Now, you see, it's funny you mention that. I've been working in a carpeted room for the whole time I've been producing, and didn't think I would want it any other way. But, I did some research on the subject and read that carpet was bad, dampening a very limited set of frequencies and causing an unbalanced mix.

I wasn't sure that I would adjust well to a hard floor because I've been in a carpeted room for so long. So, my thought was, I'll put wood flooring in. I can always put rugs down, but once I have wall-to-wall carpet in, I'm stuck with it.

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Personally, I would use a mineral wool above the drop ceiling - it will give you broadband frequency absorption and lessen standing waves and low frequency bass issues. Basically, some frequencies will pass straight those tiles and bounce off the often concrete sub flooring - sometimes they bounce around the space between or pass back through causing all sorts of accuracy issues.

It's wood sub-flooring, just to be clear. The flooring above is (real) wood, both the sub-flooring and the actual surface.

The thing I'm most concerned about is keeping down the amount of noise that's coming into the studio from the upstairs. Not that I'll be doing a lot of live recording, but just because it's incredibly annoying and loud. The two-year-old dropped a heavy toy right over my head and I almost had to change my pants.

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use bunches of mineral wool where possible to pack out the space - if you need to stop spreading fibres everwhere (can be really annoying and gets all over the place),you can spray it with a water mixed with PVC glue - it doesn't block the fibres just sticks them together.

Thanks for the advice!

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Originally posted by david.michael The thing I'm most concerned about is keeping down the amount of noise that's coming into the studio from the upstairs.

Not too sure how much space you have between the ceiling and the floor above, but if there's a big enough gap maybe you could fill it with some absorbtion foam?

It's coming along nicely David.....

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Originally posted by david.michael Now, you see, it's funny you mention that. I've been working in a carpeted room for the whole time I've been producing, and didn't think I would want it any other way. But, I did some research on the subject and read that carpet was bad, dampening a very limited set of frequencies and causing an unbalanced mix. I wasn't sure that I would adjust well to a hard floor because I've been in a carpeted room for so long. So, my thought was, I'll put wood flooring in. I can always put rugs down, but once I have wall-to-wall carpet in, I'm stuck with it. It's wood sub-flooring, just to be clear. The flooring above is (real) wood, both the sub-flooring and the actual surface. The thing I'm most concerned about is keeping down the amount of noise that's coming into the studio from the upstairs. Not that I'll be doing a lot of live recording, but just because it's incredibly annoying and loud. The two-year-old dropped a heavy toy right over my head and I almost had to change my pants. Thanks for the advice!

Sorry for the delay!

The carpet thing is true and not at the same time.

In specifically acoustically designed spaces, all other things being equal, the use of carpet is not great, or at least not the preft material, which is why, in a lot of high end control rooms and studios you now see wood floors. The difference though, is that the floors are often fully sprung, well balanced with other acoustic material and use very expensive flooring maetrials (it's not your click/lock stuff from lumber liquidators or home depot).

IMO, I think in a room that had not been deisgned from the start (or at least isn't going to have thousands spent on it for acoustics afterwards) carpet or wood floors with rugs are the best option.

Bare wood floors in an untreated room can just lead to a lot of reflections and bad secondary noise dissapation.

Carpet (or wood lfoors with rugs), while not perfect as such are a better solution as you won't get the reflections which can really throw off your mix. A small amount of basic dmaping is better than none. This is especially true when you have low ceilings.

As for the ceiling, there's really not much you can do unless you attack it from both sides. More underlay underneath the flooring matrial can go a long way but somtimes that's not an option (with laminate or real wood flooring for instance). for your side, you can use dense acoustic material as possible, pack in to the space between the drop cieling and the sub floor.

I would suggest Owens Corning 705 or Auralex 2" Mineral wool fibre board (presonally I would use the latter as it's way denser, not a skin irritant and is semi rigid so can be cut to fit in spaces and wedged in place). Then use acoustic sealant (from USG or sheetrock brand) to close evry little gap (and that's the key for isolation).

Let me know how you get on.

RANN, thanks for the advice. Looks like I'll just have to deal with the flooring choice I made and go the rug route. Yeah, the ceiling is extremely low. I'll just have to do the best I can with the space!

will you have central a/c going through there or a window unit? make sure to keep the room nice and cool

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Originally posted by jupiterone will you have central a/c going through there or a window unit? make sure to keep the room nice and cool

Central air... But it seems to stay cool down there no matter what.

Damn dude!

Starting to look pretty damn good

Roflmao @ the <3 Xisty

Can't wait to see the final outcome.

I know from personal experience renovating shit at home how fantastic it is once it's all done and finished.

Keep it up and keep us updated!

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Originally posted by Lews Damn dude! Starting to look pretty damn good Roflmao @ the <3 Xisty Can't wait to see the final outcome. I know from personal experience renovating shit at home how fantastic it is once it's all done and finished. Keep it up and keep us updated!

It's taking waaay to long for sure. But, it is starting to feel pretty good now that it's starting to resemble an actual room instead of a pile of junk.

im hanging to see when the benches and shit go up.

fuck.. i just burnt my dinner because of this thread, lol.

popped in wanting to check out some studio porn and ended up engrossed in flame wars, next time i read a thread on here i'll turn the wok down first!

I think if someone enjoys tinkering with music and wants to go nuts building a studio, and bother to document the work in progress with pics then kudos to them, it's always inspiring to see other people getting into the spirit.

OP.. keep the pics coming!

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