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Originally posted by Slylee multivitamins make me sick to my stomach.

I have a similar problem if I don't eat them with a meal. More or less its just unpleasantness for an hour or so. Taking vitamins with something heavy seems to be key, even a large glass of milk suffices.


I also take vit C & E every day and I have some expired B12 I bought with niacin for a detox flush. I'll have to consider getting more with all the talk of it here.

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Originally posted by Slylee i know...at the doctor. and that costs money. or wait, can i buy liquid B12 and a needle and try this you think?

Yep, I've got some on order.

It's becoming much more common.

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Originally posted by jennypie Your body just excretes what you don't use.

please don't offer medical advice. You can actually do harm to yourself with excess vitamins/minerals

http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/9617.html

http://health.yahoo.com/nutrition-s...--d03145a1.html

http://oralcancernews.org/wp/large-...may-be-harmful/

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY please don't offer medical advice. You can actually do harm to yourself with excess vitamins/minerals

where did you go to med school out of curiosity?

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Originally posted by Slylee multivitamins make me sick to my stomach. someone mentioned (i think chimera) that it pretty much means i'm getting enough vitamins already through my diet. i guess it makes sense. i DO eat tons of veggies and salad and fruit so i'm definitely getting enough nutrients through my diet and don't need a multi. i'm going to start taking calcium though because i don't drink enough milk and i'm a skinny white girl (we're the most prone to osteoporosis when we're old), so i figure the sooner i start taking calcium supps, the better.

Actually drinking milk will increase your chances of getting osteoporosis, so not drinking it is a very good thing.

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Originally posted by Lews Actually drinking milk will increase your chances of getting osteoporosis, so not drinking it is a very good thing.

how? and please include a source.

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Originally posted by Slylee like jenny has mentioned before (and it's pretty much common knowledge among people who are generally educated about health and drugs, etc...), potassium is not something you want to mess with. you should only be taking potassium pills if you have a deficiency or if your doctor tells you too. eating a banana once a day should be sufficient.

I've been taking 50mg and feeling great. I started taking it because it seems to be a trend in my family to have low potassium levels. My mother has to take supplements, as does my grandmother. I thought I would try and get on top of it and start taking it in advance. Having a potassium deficiency is also very dangerous for you and can make you incredibly ill.

I am getting blood work done soon and they are going to check my potassium levels, but in the meantime, I am cool with the 50mg.

Happy to:

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in a 12-year Harvard study of 78,000 women, those who drank milk three times a day actually broke more bones than women who rarely drank milk.1 Similarly, a 1994 study of elderly men and women in Sydney, Australia, showed that higher dairy product consumption was associated with increased fracture risk. Those with the highest dairy product consumption had approximately double the risk of hip fracture compared to those with the lowest consumption.

PCRM

1. Feskanich D, Willett WC, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA. Milk, dietary calcium, and bone fractures in women: a 12-year prospective study. Am J Publ Health 1997;87:992-7.

2. Cumming RG, Klineberg RJ. Case-control study of risk factors for hip fractures in the elderly. Am J Epidemiol 1994;139:493-503.



Also, for your reading pleasure:

http://www.pcrm.org/health/prevmed/osteoporosis.html

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The Harvard Nurses� Health Study of 77,761 women, aged 34 to 59 followed for 12 years, found that those who drank three or more glasses of milk per day had no reduction in the risk of hip or arm fractures compared to those who drank little or no milk, even after adjustment for weight, menopausal status, smoking, and alcohol use. In fact, the fracture rates were slightly, but significantly, higher for those who consumed this much milk, compared to those who drank little or no milk

An article all about how to avoid it

multi vitamins have always been a great scam to create profits through fears of mineral deficiency. Unless a doctor tells you to take them, there is really no need for multi vitamins for the average healthy person with a properly balanced diet.

why do you think vitamins have been Amway's staple product that makes them millions?

so many dietary supplements also make unproven claims and even have a disclaimer included on their label.

Most people simply don't eat balanced though. This makes it quick and easy for them to feel good about themselves.

Personally I think most people should take some form of vitamin supplement and definitely B12 supplements.

The drug industry is completely fucked up.

This post is rambling. I need to sleep.

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Originally posted by Schadenfreude Unless a doctor tells you to take them, there is really no need for multi vitamins for the average healthy person with a properly balanced diet.

Unfortunately, not many people actually have a balanced diet. When you're running around busy with work/school/day to day life stuff, most people are guilty of skipping breakfast, or substituting a muffin or doughnut etc. If you have to zap a microwavable meal for lunches, there isn't a ton of nutritional value in many of those either. The list of bad dietary decisions goes on. I would be willing to bet that the majority of people don't eat as well as they should.

Just look at the obesity rates; the fact the most people *don't* have a balanced diet becomes inherently obvious.

I know that taking vitamins has made me feel better. I tested to make sure it wasn't 'placebo' by not taking them for a couple of weeks and I started feeling like shit. Obviously there is something I am not getting enough of in my diet. I am lactose intolerant, so that eliminates a lot of food for me.

It can be just as easy to eat a balanced diet as going to the store to buy a bottle of centrum.

usually when people do not eat a balanced diet it is because of things like : poverty, laziness, stupidity.

you always hear, "i don't know how to cook." as an excuse, which is quite stupid as you get a significant source of vitamins from raw or whole foods such as fruits or veg.

All you have to do is spend a few bucks more buying fresh, and a little will power to eat these foods instead of going for a quick and junky fix, and you should be fine even without the supplements.

I do get a b12 shot, but other than that when i asked my family physician what vitamin supplements to take, he said not to buy into that and eat well. I trust him.

I just try to keep a balanced and nutritional diet... don't take anything.

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Originally posted by Theresa I know that taking vitamins has made me feel better. I tested to make sure it wasn't 'placebo' by not taking them for a couple of weeks and I started feeling like shit. Obviously there is something I am not getting enough of in my diet.

You do realise that it's impossible to test for the placebo effect on yourself?

Shut up, let her wallow in her own stupidity a little longer.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You do realise that it's impossible to test for the placebo effect on yourself?

chrost, how did i miss that

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You do realise that it's impossible to test for the placebo effect on yourself?

If you actually keep a log based on how you feel and you aren't 'wanting' the 'placebo' to work, then you can, but it's not so much a placebo. I was just ensuring that I wasn't crediting the vitamins for feeling better when it was really something else. Not 'true' placebo, but whatever.

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Originally posted by Theresa Not 'true' placebo, but whatever.

Some might say it's not a placebo effect at all.

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Originally posted by Schadenfreude chrost, how did i miss that

because you're not as smart as you pretend to be



thanks for the links lews, can't read it now but i will later tonight!

For a placebo to work, you have to not know it was a placebo. You have to fully believe that it is the vitamins you are taking. So - for you to just "stop taking vitamins", you are not conducting a placebo experiment at ALL because you KNOW that you aren't taking the vitamins. Essentially, your brain can still trick you into needing them because there might be various reasons as to why you started feeling worse but you automatically pointed it to the vitamins because you were already biased that vitamins were helping you.

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Originally posted by UWM Shut up, let her wallow in her own stupidity a little longer.

Robaroni, I miss you.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Some might say it's not a placebo effect at all.

That's what I am saying, but what do you call it if you are ensuring that you don't credit something for an outcome? If the placebo effect can have the same results as something that actually makes you feel better, how can you be sure it is one and not the other?

The problem lies in the fact that I wasn't confident in the vitamins ability to 'make me feel better', which would suggest I wouldn't be affected by the placebo effect. However, what says that I am not sub-consciously wanting it to work?

So you actually do a quantitative check on your health (by measuring how you feel with and without the potential 'placebo'.) It's seems like you can test yourself, but perhaps the 'placebo' is strong enough that without it, you think you feel shitty?

I suppose I have too much confidence in my own skepticism. The idea of 'testing for placebo in yourself' is faulty, but it seems to me that the fact that one would test for it at all would prove that the 'willingness' to be taken by placebo is not good and therefore shouldn't work?

Either way, if it is a placebo effect, it's working well

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Originally posted by Theresa That's what I am saying, but what do you call it if you are ensuring that you don't credit something for an outcome? If the placebo effect can have the same results as something that actually makes you feel better, how can you be sure it is one and not the other? The problem lies in the fact that I wasn't confident in the vitamins ability to 'make me feel better', which would suggest I wouldn't be affected by the placebo effect. However, what says that I am not sub-consciously wanting it to work? So you actually do a quantitative check on your health (by measuring how you feel with and without the potential 'placebo'.) It's seems like you can test yourself, but perhaps the 'placebo' is strong enough that without it, you think you feel shitty? I suppose I have too much confidence in my own skepticism. The idea of 'testing for placebo in yourself' is faulty, but it seems to me that the fact that one would test for it at all would prove that the 'willingness' to be taken by placebo is not good and therefore shouldn't work? Either way, if it is a placebo effect, it's working well

i bet that you buy a lot of calamine lotion.

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Originally posted by Schadenfreude i bet that you buy a lot of calamine lotion.

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