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As much as I hate siding with Beatport, "minimal" has become a de facto genre; like it or not.

Minimal alone is usually associated with Minimal Techno. Then there's Micro House ... etc genre battles...

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Originally posted by Gen3r4l1ty As much as I hate siding with Beatport, "minimal" has become a de facto genre; like it or not.

Thanks for the support.. but....

Why do you hate siding with Beatport?

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Originally posted by Simon Be-at.tv Beatport would disagree with you there...

Oh, yeah. Beatport says so, it MUST be the truth!!!

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Originally posted by Simon Be-at.tv oh and why you're asking a trance forum is beyond me! I'm amazed you haven't been hung drawn and quartered for even mentioning the M word! Almost as bad as saying Deadmau5!

This place stopped being a "trance forum" a long time ago. You should have noticed it by now if you weren't so busy spamming your website.

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Originally posted by Simon Be-at.tv Minimal (speaking incredibly generally) is usually a bit slower than tech house and has less clearly melodic elements. Tech house is usually closer to house music in terms of speed and bounceyness (getting technical here). However, many producers of house who dip into the minimal artforms may brand it as tech house as many people are scared of the word minimal. Its all fish at the end of day...

Wrong. On all counts.

Minimal has nothing to do with speed. And why would anyone be "scared" of it?

And 'bounceyness'. Technical?

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Originally posted by Simon Be-at.tv How very snarkey of you... oh and Juno, Trackitdown, DJdownload, Itunes blah blah blah blah Wanna prostrate yourself before the almighty deciders of the genres? On your knees swine!

NEVER!

Actually, I shop Beatport almost exclusively. But I hardly think that they should be an authority just because they are large and exist.

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Minimal alone is usually associated with Minimal Techno.

Agreed.

Well, with Existo gone I guess someone had to take her crown.

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Originally posted by woscar Oh, yeah. Beatport says so, it MUST be the truth!!! This place stopped being a "trance forum" a long time ago. You should have noticed it by now if you weren't so busy spamming your website. Wrong. On all counts. Minimal has nothing to do with speed. And why would anyone be "scared" of it? And 'bounceyness'. Technical?

Some douchebag on a forum disagrees with Beatport so they MUST be wrong!!!

People are 'scared' of it because they associate the word minimal with crap vibeless empty music. In the same way I'm scared of Gabba. Its kinda painful and disorientating.

Bounceyness had technical written after it in brackets because I was being deadly deadly deadly serious about the fact that this is a well known technical term for music among people who know even the first thing about anything do to with anything other than scratching their arse and sniffing their fingers and writing on jilted trance forums.

oh and woscar... i have noticed you guys hate and love just about everything. Seeing as one of the longest threads on this forum is about how Minimal is shit... I would have thought you'd understand what I was implying by my IRONIC posting. As if you can hang draw and quarter anyone on a forum anyway... muppet.

We hate bad music and we love good music. That's pretty much it.

And if you paid any attention to that moronic thread, it was pretty much one person hating on something that she obviously has no fucking clue about.

And "sarcastic" is not the same as "ironic".

Cuntbutler.

LOL ****butler... ... nice post.



(not being 'sarcastic' this time as you correctly put me in my box there!)

Sub jonra labels were invented by distributers to make it easier to sell.

As in 'tecno stile jondras'?

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Originally posted by woscar Well, with Existo gone I guess someone had to take her crown.

who's Existo then?

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Originally posted by woscar We hate bad music and we love good music. That's pretty much it. And if you paid any attention to that moronic thread, it was pretty much one person hating on something that she obviously has no fucking clue about. And "sarcastic" is not the same as "ironic". Cuntbutler.

Just curious but... what comes up as good music in your very official sounding opinion?

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Originally posted by Simon Be-at.tv Why do you hate siding with Beatport?

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Originally posted by david.michael ...I hardly think that they should be an authority just because they are large and exist.

What's the alternative?

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Originally posted by Simon Be-at.tv who's Existo then? Just curious but... what comes up as good music in your very official sounding opinion?

My taste is way too ample. EDM-wise? If you actually care, just check the links on my sig.

how subtle

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Originally posted by Gen3r4l1ty As much as I hate siding with Beatport, "minimal" has become a de facto genre; like it or not.

have to agree with this.

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Originally posted by woscar My taste is way too ample. EDM-wise? If you actually care, just check the links on my sig.

I'm always curious to know what people listen to.

Specially people who talk the talk like they walk the walk.

It still doesn't mean it's correct.

All jokes aside...

Listen to some old tracks on Wolf + Lamb that are labeled Minimal. Then go listen to Minus tracks that are labeled Minimal. Not even close.

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Originally posted by woscar It still doesn't mean it's correct. All jokes aside... Listen to some old tracks on Wolf + Lamb that are labeled Minimal. Then go listen to Minus tracks that are labeled Minimal. Not even close.

Oh yeah, definitely...I wasn't saying Beatport should be the standard for what stuff is labeled, as they indeed have never been any authority on genres. But you can't really deny that this "mnml" sound can be considered a genre in and of itself by now, which for the most part would be associated with Minus and their ilk. That being said, most educated people still realize that real minimalism is an aesthetic that can be applied to all forms of art, let alone techno music.

At the end of the day though, its just different names people tag on to and describe music. And spinning records is serious fucking business.

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Originally posted by Simon Be-at.tv Beatport would disagree with you there... .

BP and others use trends and marketing categories under the guise of genre. It may be a legitimate (albeit cynical) way to look at genre, but it's not the only way.

'MNML' is a meme, a trend. It operates on a greater level than genre, infiltrating it.

Genre is more formal having to do more with conventions, and less about cultural content.

However, the line often gets blurred as the conventions themselves get wrapped up in the culture that appropriates them. I think especially in our modern media saturated world it is inevitable that content is increasingly more important than convention - the conventions actually seem to be all melding into one big universal multi-medium.

@OP -
tech house is a union of techno and house. typically this means house music produced with techno methods, attitudes, aesthetics, or a union of the techniques of techno (vertical layering, repetition, electronically generated sounds) with the song structure, tempo, and beat, and club pedigree of house music.

there many ways to combine techno with house music. if it's more minimal techno, then you get minimal tech house music. if it's deeper techno or deeper house, you get some deep tech house, etc

in the end these are all stupid labels that attempt to categorize things for easier consumption.

I wrote on this forum because this is the most popular EDM forum,hence will get more opinions.
I think they should really break this forum into a few EDM categories i.e. Trance Discussion, House Discussion etc....why not do it? That way l have asked in the appropriate music section

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Originally posted by Simon Be-at.tv Beatport would disagree with you there... oh and why you're asking a trance forum is beyond me! I'm amazed you haven't been hung drawn and quartered for even mentioning the M word! Almost as bad as saying Deadmau5! Minimal (speaking incredibly generally) is usually a bit slower than tech house and has less clearly melodic elements. Tech house is usually closer to house music in terms of speed and bounceyness (getting technical here). However, many producers of house who dip into the minimal artforms may brand it as tech house as many people are scared of the word minimal. Its all fish at the end of day...

Minimal: Bleep Bloop.

Tech-house: Plink Plonk.

Haha that is brilliant!

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Originally posted by Nostalgic Minimal: Bleep Bloop. Tech-house: Plink Plonk.

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