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Originally posted by Orko Well they are a huge burden on the health care system. Maybe this is the government's way of showing them the door?

I've always said we should be thrown in the tar pits when we turn 70....it would save the health care system a lot of money.

Chaos on the Yonge line, ahha. They want more for this?

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Subway shut down from Eglinton to Bloor Commuter chaos has gripped the Yonge subway line after a contractor caused tunnel damage, closing the busiest line between Bloor and Eglinton stations at the busiest time of day. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of people are lined up at Bloor and Yonge Sts., waiting for shuttle buses that can't keep up with the flood of people spilling out of Bloor station. When one of the 50 shuttle buses does leave, it plunges into heavy Yonge St. traffic, extending the commute for many by potentially hours. The disruption is affecting as many as 300,000 commuters, with no service at the Davisville, St. Clair, Summerhill and Rosedale stations. Bus stops along the closed route are all packed with people and the sidewalks are crowded with commuters who decided to walk. TTC spokesperson Brad Ross told reporters just before 5 p.m. that buses are being pulled off other routes to act as shuttles up and down Yonge St., but commuters should think of other options. He noted a bus can hold about 60 people compared to a subway train holding 1,600. "You can't rely on (the shuttles) if you really need to get somewhere. You'll have to find alternatives," he said. The section of the line is expected to remain closed overnight and possibly into the morning rush hour. The disruption comes one day after city councillors hiked fares effective in the New Year, fuelling anger among those left stranded and waiting for shuttle buses. Sam O'Connor, after waiting in a crowd for about a half-hour, hoping to get a shuttle bus north from Bloor to Sheppard station, fumed: "I don't feel good about the TTC. The service is not getting better. "We've got to pay $3 (starting Jan. 3) and take a shuttle? I'm not happy." A 71-year-old pedestrian was struck and seriously injured at Yonge and Eglinton during the rush hour, causing further traffic delays. Hamid Ghaemi, heading home to Richmond Hill from his job at Ryerson University, said he has been taking the TTC to Yonge and Finch Ave., for 23 years. "Get (TTC chair) Adam Giambrone to quit," Ghaemi said. "This is absolutely ridiculous. There are daily breakdowns, daily delays ... All I've seen is more riders and less efficient service." Phil Clerk, 54, got on the subway at St. George station, travelled down to Union, and later went north intending to go to a doctor's appointment near Davisville station. At no point did he hear any announcement about a disruption until he was kicked off at Bloor, he said, adding he was cancelling the doctor's appointment and walking home to Bloor and Spadina Ave. "I'm already late. I was thinking of walking but it's what, a 30 or 40 minute walk? My doctor's office will be closed," he said. The TTC was suggesting as subway alternatives the 512 St. Clair streetcar from St. Clair Station to St. Clair West Station and the 32 Eglinton West bus from Eglinton Station to Eglinton West Station. Aludia Philp, who lives at Nielson Rd. and Finch Ave. in Scarborough, is regretting her decision to take the TTC downtown to fight a parking ticket instead of driving. "How am I going to get home now? It's a long, long way?" Dale Blackwood had to cancel a meeting at Sheppard Centre. "I'm not going � there's no way. This is crazy. It's ridiculous." Tonya Malcolm, a downtown office worker who normally has a 90-minute commute to Finch station and then a bus to Markham Rd. in Scarborough, couldn't guess when she'll get home faces a much longer ride home tonight. After waiting 15 minutes at Yonge and Bloor, watching a shuttle bus on the south side that haven't moved. "This really sucks. Can you imagine raising the fare to $3 for this?," she said. At St. Clair station, Anthony Clayton, 27, and Brett Strong, 26, both students at the nearby National Institute of Broadcasting, were stranded outside their classroom. They watched as packed shuttle buses zoomed by every minute or so, too full to pick up more than a few passengers at a time. "I'm considering strapping myself to the top of one of those buses so I can get to Finch," Clayton said. When told the problem may keep the subway shut through Thursday morning, Clayton and Strong both sighed. "I guess I'll try to find a ride somehow," Strong said. "I'll have to ride my bike," Clayton said. "But that's a long way." Jessica Martin a communications adviser for the TTC, said earlier this afternoon: "We are sending our TTC engineers to look at the situation and once they determine it is safe we will resume service." The damage to the tunnel was done from above, by a contractor not working for the TTC who was doing work on Jackes Ave., south of St. Clair station and just east of Yonge St.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/art...-until-tomorrow

THe one commuter's comments about there not being announcements are not true. I was on the subway around 330 and clearly heard announcements about shuttles.

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Originally posted by Orko Chaos on the Yonge line, ahha. They want more for this? http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/art...-until-tomorrow

Ummm...the line was shut down because of a third party contractor that was digging around the roadside that potentially could have damaged the tunnel. Not sure how that's the TTC's fault.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 its about as confusing to me as to why people keep voting in left wing socialist unionist governments that allow this?

because a righ wing gov't the fares will increase even more. Because a right wing mentality will be why should we subsidize poor people who can't afford a car? why am i subsidizing people on the TTC when i dont take it? who cares about poor people.

That's why.

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Originally posted by gilboman because a righ wing gov't the fares will increase even more. Because a right wing mentality will be why should we subsidize poor people who can't afford a car? why am i subsidizing people on the TTC when i dont take it? who cares about poor people. That's why.

actually... a right wing government would probably have more money to spend on infrastructure as they typically dont fund arts, gun registries and other non essentials. They also arent as friendly to unions and tend to keep their pay more in line thus lowering costs.

The problem isnt so much a funding problem with the TTC as it is a spending problem.

Why is the TTC crying poor and then shelling out a billion dollars on new street cars that no one needs?

Why is the TTC crying poor and spending $100 million on a st clair right of way that no one wants and will only save 2 mins on a commute if that?

Why is the TTC crying poor and paying 100,000 dollars a year to fare collectors when a machine could do their job?

and on and on and on.

PS you do realize the federal conservatives handed over a huge chunk of change to the TTC over the last few years right? And then they turn around and give the TTC workers a 9% raise over 3 years (if i remember correctly)

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Originally posted by Skipper Ummm...the line was shut down because of a third party contractor that was digging around the roadside that potentially could have damaged the tunnel. Not sure how that's the TTC's fault.

it's the socialist left wing liberal's fault.

I only take the TTC if absolutely necessary and today, as I was eagerly trying to make it to an appointment and was stuck taking a bus between the shut down stations of Yonge and Eglinton, I remembered why. I would probably use the TTC more often even after the fare hike if it meant more reliable service...but I'm pretty sure that this is unlikely.

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Originally posted by chinamon fuck public transit. i own a car.

Yep. Had enough and went out and bought one myself.

so looks like they are deliberately withholidng the tockens - all stations I passed through today has "sold out" signs
wtf?!
anyone knows where they still sell 5 tockens at least?

I'd rather pay the money to be on the TTC then sit in the shity traffic Toronto has EVERYDAY.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew so looks like they are deliberately withholidng the tockens - all stations I passed through today has "sold out" signs wtf?! anyone knows where they still sell 5 tockens at least?

probably not... im sure either they are making them scarce or there really has been a huge run on tokens. Just shows you how ill thought out this hike is and how people really cant afford it.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 probably not... im sure either they are making them scarce or there really has been a huge run on tokens. Just shows you how ill thought out this hike is and how people really cant afford it.

back on sale at Bay stn! i'm stocking up

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew back on sale at Bay stn! i'm stocking up

ttc tokens investments will offer a better return than the stock market at this point!! LOL

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Originally posted by Jayx1 ttc tokens investments will offer a better return than the stock market at this point!! LOL

for shizzle!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 The problem isnt so much a funding problem with the TTC as it is a spending problem. Why is the TTC crying poor and then shelling out a billion dollars on new street cars that no one needs?

had they not spent the money for new ones, you'd be complaining about ttc's delapidated 30 yo streetcars

smooth

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Originally posted by mute79 had they not spent the money for new ones, you'd be complaining about ttc's delapidated 30 yo streetcars smooth

Wrong..

first most of the streetcars are 20-25 years old.

Second im a firm believer in making due in a time of crisis. I dont care if its the best of the best as long as it works, is safe, and gets you there.

Third, streetcars should be used until their lifespan ends. Retired. And then replaced with buses with an eye on subways and trains in the future. Streetcars are an antiquated idea that dont work in toronto anymore except on a few dedicated LRTs already built.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 actually... a right wing government would probably have more money to spend on infrastructure as they typically dont fund arts, gun registries and other non essentials. They also arent as friendly to unions and tend to keep their pay more in line thus lowering costs.

Come on man, it was the Harris Governemnt who Cut TTC funding by 40%. It's the Liberals fault for not working to fix this obvious hole.

Instead of bitching about the TTC we should be writing letters to our MPP's to bring back funding.

As much as many (myslef included) would like to see the TTC cut spending and lower salaries of its employees and even automate many jobs the reality is this will never happen unless we're willing to deal with some long term labour unrest.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Come on man, it was the Harris Governemnt who Cut TTC funding by 40%. It's the Liberals fault for not working to fix this obvious hole. Instead of bitching about the TTC we should be writing letters to our MPP's to bring back funding. As much as many (myslef included) would like to see the TTC cut spending and lower salaries of its employees and even automate many jobs the reality is this will never happen unless we're willing to deal with some long term labour unrest.

Harris cut from EVERYTHING to get us out of the mess that Bob Rae And Peterson got us into.

And its going to be even more painful this time around since the hole is literally twice the size.

It wont be the left wing willing to piss of the unions... the right will do it since unionists dont vote for the right anyways.

People are stockpiling on tokens but why? the ttc will most likely design new ones so they can tell the difference between the old ones and new ones.

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Originally posted by TheDemon People are stockpiling on tokens but why? the ttc will most likely design new ones so they can tell the difference between the old ones and new ones.

im willing to bet they will stop tokens until march or april and force everyone in jan using a token to add a quarter. This is what they are doing now with the new temporary tickets they are giving out instead of tokens.

Toronto has perfected the art of fleecing. I swear they must have PHDs in rip off artistry.

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Originally posted by TheDemon People are stockpiling on tokens but why? the ttc will most likely design new ones so they can tell the difference between the old ones and new ones.

Doubt it. That's a massive undertaking to re-fit every auto entrance that takes the old tokens.

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Originally posted by TheDemon People are stockpiling on tokens but why? the ttc will most likely design new ones so they can tell the difference between the old ones and new ones.

This is why they have stopped selling tokens in bulk and started selling tickets.

Even at the places that are still selling tokens - they are only selling them for single-fare now (not even letting you get 5 I think), and at the vending machines they have been setup to only sell 1 token at a time.

Harder to retrofit all of the booths to accept a new token - so prevent as much bulk-buying as possible, force people to buy tickets that they can easily identify as being new or old, and force you to put in an extra 25c in Jan once the rates go up.

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Originally posted by Skipper Doubt it. That's a massive undertaking to re-fit every auto entrance that takes the old tokens.

Ya I read that its not the case and that new tokens are way too expensive. Plus, the price hike takes effect January 3rd so there is no point.

The one thing that really irks me over this token b.s. is the fact the the TTC wants to constently blame "hoarders" for the current state of affairs.

They need to just f'in admit that all of this has really been caused by a lack of foresight. If they were going to bring tickets back temporaily then just bloody do it at when you announced the fare hike. Not further inconvenience your riders and in many cases force the full cash fare due to lack of optionS.

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