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Posted by Viber on Nov-19-2009 01:29:

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Originally posted by Lews
Go listen to Public Enemy and then listen to Lupe Fiasco.
Rap is alive.

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Posted by leph555 on Nov-19-2009 01:36:

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Originally posted by Viber
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Posted by Viber on Nov-19-2009 01:42:

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Originally posted by leph555

Posted by Fledz on Nov-19-2009 01:43:

There's always potential and I'm sure someone will come out with a very good mix of the two but I shudder at the thought of how much rubbish will be released before we get to that point and also after

Posted by leph555 on Nov-19-2009 01:45:

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Originally posted by Viber

Posted by Lews on Nov-19-2009 01:48:

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Originally posted by Viber
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No. He's Hip/Hop, not Rap

And, actually, Lupe is my favorite rapper / hip hop artiste

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Nov-19-2009 01:49:

I think Tiesto should do a collaboration with Merzbow:

Posted by Lira on Nov-19-2009 01:50:

^^^^ Seconded.

Actually, it would be more interesting to see Kanye and Merzbow working together. I wonder whose ego would implode first

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Originally posted by Lews
Rap is dead.

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Originally posted by Viber
Rap is alive.

Obligatory

Posted by astroboy on Nov-19-2009 01:55:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles

Seriously if this trash is music, then what isn't.

Though I suppose if you're completely tone deaf and have absolutely no sense of rhythm then all music could be to you is either lyrics or interesting noises.. in the case of the latter the more complex the noise the better... still doesn't make it music to me.

Posted by Viber on Nov-19-2009 01:56:

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Originally posted by Lews
No. He's Hip/Hop, not Rap

Silly differentiation imo, i mean even if it is hip-hop - he 'raps' in the song...and Lupe is more Rap than T-pain anyway.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Nov-19-2009 01:56:

It's not music, it's noise.

Posted by Lews on Nov-19-2009 01:58:

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Originally posted by Viber
Silly differentiation imo, i mean even if it is hip-hop - he 'raps' in the song...and Lupe is more Rap than T-pain anyway.

You're helping me prove my point lol

Posted by Lira on Nov-19-2009 02:00:

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Originally posted by astroboy
Seriously if this trash is music, then what isn't.

Though I suppose if you're completely tone deaf and have absolutely no sense of rhythm then all music could be to you is either lyrics or interesting noises.. in the case of the latter the more complex the noise the better... still doesn't make it music to me.

That's the spirit! Well, sort of. The idea behind Merzbow's work is quite interesting: He tries to make music without melody and rhythm, so to speak, in order to undermine the foundations of what music is supposed to be.

But, I must agree with you: I can endure prog for a whole hour, but I don't think I could listen to noise for that long.

Posted by Lews on Nov-19-2009 02:00:

What's wrong with prog? =(

Posted by astroboy on Nov-19-2009 02:01:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
It's not music, it's noise.

Tru dat. Do you appreciate this stuff though? I know a few people that do.. and honestly I don't know how to. I automatically try to appreciate it as music.. which is futile. If I try to appreciate it as just pure abstraction to the power of nihilism then I get bored very quickly.

Posted by Lira on Nov-19-2009 02:03:

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Originally posted by Lews
What's wrong with prog? =(

It's one of the very few genres of EDM I simply can't stand. And I listen to both Happy Hardcore AND Power Noise, mind you.

Posted by leph555 on Nov-19-2009 02:03:

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Originally posted by Lira
It's one of the very few genres of EDM I simply can't stand. And I listen to both Happy Hardcore AND Power Noise, mind you.

WTF is power noise?

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Nov-19-2009 02:05:

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Originally posted by astroboy
Tru dat. Do you appreciate this stuff though?

Yes.

It may be true that it's impossible to like if you approach it as music, though.

Posted by Lira on Nov-19-2009 02:05:

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Originally posted by leph555
WTF is power noise?

I'm going to post a sample, just a moment.

Posted by Viber on Nov-19-2009 02:06:

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Originally posted by Lews
You're helping me prove my point lol

im confused, what is your point?

Posted by Lira on Nov-19-2009 02:12:

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Originally posted by Lira
I'm going to post a sample, just a moment.

Antigen Shift - Shuurajou

I love this track.

Posted by leph555 on Nov-19-2009 02:14:

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Originally posted by Lira

Antigen Shift - Shuurajou

I love this track.

hmmm it sounds familiar, but never ever did i hear of that genre lol

Posted by astroboy on Nov-19-2009 02:19:

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Originally posted by Lira
That's the spirit! Well, sort of. The idea behind Merzbow's work is quite interesting: He tries to make music without melody and rhythm, so to speak, in order to undermine the foundations of what music is supposed to be.

But, I must agree with you: I can endure prog for a whole hour, but I don't think I could listen to noise for that long.

Yeah I'm a bit old fashioned when it comes to music/art.. I think there has to be a certain level of mastery/skill to it and it should communicate something.. I'm not convinced that if you left a random unskilled person of reasonable intelligence in a studio for a day that he couldn't come up with something indistinguishable from a merzbow track.

After a while all this "undermining" stuff becomes wankery imo. It sort of loses it's purpose.

"i splattered some paint on the floor in a dark room and told no one about it undermining the very definition of art.."

It's like.. congratulations you succeeded in not making art.. pretty much what I succeed in every time I go to the toilet.. and interestingly both activities achieve similar results!

Posted by Lira on Nov-19-2009 02:37:

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Originally posted by astroboy
Yeah I'm a bit old fashioned when it comes to music/art.. I think there has to be a certain level of mastery/skill to it and it should communicate something.. I'm not convinced that if you left a random unskilled person of reasonable intelligence in a studio for a day that he couldn't come up with something indistinguishable from a merzbow track.

After a while all this "undermining" stuff becomes wankery imo. It sort of loses it's purpose.

"i splattered some paint on the floor in a dark room and told no one about it undermining the very definition of art.."

It's like.. congratulations you succeeded in not making art.. pretty much what I succeed in every time I go to the toilet.. and interestingly both activities achieve similar results!

I think it's just like poetry in a language you don't speak: unless you "get it", it's hard to see its worth. I don't claim to understand noise in any way, but I can kind of tell a good track from a bad one. One is egregious, and the other is just downright intolerable

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Nov-19-2009 02:42:

Noise is one genre it seems pretty much everyone feels comfortable hating on. If you look up noise tracks on YouTube there are almost always like two or three negative comments for every positive one. So many people who feel compelled to express their distaste.

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