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Required Gratuity other than a special large party is ridiculous.

shit if that happened to me you could add assault charged to my rap sheet.

ridiculous. By no means should the establishment have backed up such a shitty waitress.

The restaurant got their money ...

Cmon mel what r u gonna do, your 99 LBS, I could fart on you and you would get thrown to the ground

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Originally posted by Theresa The idea of tipping is fucking ridiculous to begin with. Wait staff should not be relying on the tips from the customers to supplement their shitty ass pay. The business should be covering those costs so that this type of garbage doesn't happen. The tipping bullshit needs to stop. It is unfair to the employees and it is unfair to the customers.

This.

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Originally posted by mdamon7278 Cmon mel what r u gonna do, your 99 LBS, I could fart on you and you would get thrown to the ground

i'm 108

were'nt you there on the terrace for Sander K a few years ago. Some big guy picked me up out of nowhere and I punched his head like 3 times to put me down lol. I got all crazy and up his face. When I get mad - I get MAD!

Ummmmm no I don't remember that, I was playing smacking dumbass buster in the side of the head or making out with some random whore

mandatory 18% gratuity for a table of 2??? lol! good luck with that business model... nice bit of publicity you've created for yourselves having poorly attended customers arrested too

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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL shit if that happened to me you could add assault charged to my rap sheet. ridiculous. By no means should the establishment have backed up such a shitty waitress. The restaurant got their money ...

That's the problem... the restaurant gets their money no matter what, even if they were the ones who failed to do their job by way of ensuring the establishment is well staffed. The waitress who is just trying to make some money, maybe to pay for school or whatever, gets fucked at the end of the day because she didn't get paid fairly for the work she did by her employer, and because the business fucked up and didn't have enough waitresses, she didn't get paid by the customer either.

Why is the onus of performance being solely placed on the waitress, and the onus of paying the employees being placed on the customer? Restaurants need to fucking own up to what they should be doing - paying their employees fairly and making sure the business runs efficiently so that they can bring in more revenue. They get off by paying their employees shit pay, and it doesn't matter if they fuck up and are under-staffed sometimes because the customer has to pay for the food, the restaurant gets paid. The wait staff are the people who end up suffering.

In any other business, if the company fucks up and slacks on making sure there are employees, or quality product, it's the company (and rightfully so) that has to pay the consequences, not the employees. That's the way it should be.

If its busy and a server is running around doing their best, i think most people would cut them some slack. a lot of the shitty service most people receive has nothing to do with their food being on time, more often than not it's a shitty attitude.

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Originally posted by ownymcown If its busy and a server is running around doing their best, i think most people would cut them some slack. a lot of the shitty service most people receive has nothing to do with their food being on time, more often than not it's a shitty attitude.

If it takes an hour to even have your order taken, chances are the place was packed and they didn't have enough people working.

After having worked in the industry in a University city, I have witnessed far too many times the waitresses being over-worked because there just aren't enough people working and way too many people/tables to tend to.

We would go 8 hour shifts without breaks, without a chance to eat, and I would literally be dripping in sweat from rushing around trying to get to everybody. I even had my boss chase me into the bathroom to yell at me while I was peeing because there "just wasn't time for that"... mind you, she was a psycho bitch, but that's the kind of pressure wait staff is often under.

Then you get asshole people who think that you should lick their shoes clean and complain about every-fucking-thing they can think of. Or people who would ask you for 1 thing every time you came back, upping the amount of runs you needed to take by 100.

It is not an easy industry to be working in, especially if the business isn't pulling its end of the deal by making sure there are enough people working or that the food is quality etc. etc.

thought this was about toilet paper.. tping...

Theresa, by the way, you're wrong.

Say they did just pay their waiters a living wage.

The extra cost of paying out wages would force them to raise the price level, and isn't this monetarily the same as a mandatory gratuity? The same amount on average is going to be paid out no matter if you have tipping or if you pay a higher wage.

The workers have no incentive whatsoever to give better service other than to keep their job, under the non tipping system.

While on average their wage would be the same and the customers payout to the restaurant would be the same, what's different is incentive.

Under a tipping system, there is always incentive for a server to provide excellent service.

And if there wasn't tips, the problem of understaffing would still exist, and the customer would still receive shitty service. The only difference is that the server's money would be protected (but on average they'd still make the same as under a tipping system).

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Originally posted by ownymcown The only difference is that the server's money would be protected.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

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Originally posted by Lews You say that like it's a bad thing.

it's not a bad thing, but i'm saying that a protected wage may stay at for example 12 bux an hour, but even though tips can be shitty they also fluctuate in the positive direction so on average it would be the same in the end (12).

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