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Originally posted by FunkyCrew HPV can diagnosed by doing regular check-ups and doing appropriate tests (pap smear and etc) not a fan of this being imposed on such young girls

im not a fan of any imposition. But i would think that HPV prevention would be more important than a flu shot if you so choose to take that HPV shot.

The priorities in the health dept are clearly political

Lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccine


"most women infected with genital HPV will not have complications from the virus"

"the vaccine only covers some high-risk types of HPV"




How is this any different than the flu shot, in terms of prevention and/or treatment?


I mean, those sound like the same facts you would use to support not getting a flu shot. Lol.

ya you know me!

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Originally posted by jennypie Lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccine "most women infected with genital HPV will not have complications from the virus" "the vaccine only covers some high-risk types of HPV" How is this any different than the flu shot, in terms of prevention and/or treatment? I mean, those sound like the same facts you would use to support not getting a flu shot. Lol.

getting the flu and getting cancer are 2 completely different issues altogether. You should know that.

Im not necessarily advocating this shot either. But taken at face value, would it not make more sense to administer this shot over a flu shot?

I think it's entirely subjective. For me personally, it makes more sense to get a flu shot.

I think we're pretty lucky that we actually have such vaccines available, AND the choice to get them or not.

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Originally posted by jennypie I think it's entirely subjective. For me personally, it makes more sense to get a flu shot. I think we're pretty lucky that we actually have such vaccines available, AND the choice to get them or not.

cancer vs flu is subjective???

i think its sad that fake crisis' have been raised in order to sell the flu shot as the right choice. And worse that other medical services are suffering for it.

Lol, Lisa Simpson.

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Originally posted by jennypie I think it's entirely subjective. For me personally, it makes more sense to get a flu shot. I think we're pretty lucky that we actually have such vaccines available, AND the choice to get them or not.

If you could only get one of the two vaccines but it meant you would get either the flu or cancer...you would choose to get cancer over the flu

That's right. Because my personal health history indicates that I'm more at risk for getting the flu than cancer.

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Originally posted by basilisk GSK recently recalled a batch of vaccines that showed an unusual increase in allergic reactions from 1 in 100,000 to 5 in 100,000. This is for a batch that includes 170,000 doses. A "lot" of people means 6 or 7 instead of 1 or 2. Is that about right? Strange that the vaccine supplier would recall the vaccine if it's really involved in some sort of wacky global depopulation conspiracy thing...

GSK is running at over capacity 24/7 for the last months to supply all these vaccines, it's not impossible that human errors happen...

And Billions Jay? Really? 8$ a flu shot, I'll let you do the math.

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Originally posted by malek GSK is running at over capacity 24/7 for the last months to supply all these vaccines, it's not impossible that human errors happen... And Billions Jay? Really? 8$ a flu shot, I'll let you do the math.

human errors that i would rather not be subjected to

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Cost of H1N1 flu vaccine program hits $1.5B: report Updated: Thu Nov. 12 2009 09:03:05 CTV.ca News Staff It appears that the plan to have every Canada vaccinated against H1N1 flu is not coming cheap. New estimates show that the vaccination program could cost more than $2 billion. The vaccine has been available to Canadians for only about three weeks now, but according to a report in The Globe and Mail, $1.51-billion has already been spent. That figure was reached after reviewing estimates from federal, provincial and territorial governments. The actual figure might be even higher, because many provinces are still revising their costs, while others have yet to release total estimates. In September, provincial and territorial health ministers predicted the cost of buying and delivering the vaccine at around $806-million, or about $16 per dose. But based on these new estimates, the total cost is currently running at about $30 a shot --and climbing. The cost of buying 50.4 million doses has been estimated by federal officials at $403 million. But there have been many extra costs incurred by Health Canada, the Public Health Agency of Canada, and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. Those agencies have racked up the bills by: * developing emergency and strategic plans * conducting surveillance and outbreak management * overtime and standby pay for regulatory and lab staff * conducting rapid research Earlier this week, Treasury Board President Vic Toews released 2009-10 supplementary budget estimates and estimated those costs at about $78 million. But related provincial costs were not included; those are sure to cost millions of dollars more. Costs have reportedly soared at the provincial level because the unexpected demand for the vaccine has forced many regional health authorities to open more clinics and to ask health staff to work overtime. Last week, Quebec's health minister said the province will end up spending at least $200 million on H1N1 vaccination. Manitoba Premier Greg Selinger has said the vaccination program's cost could double beyond the original $47-million estimate. And Alberta has put its figure at $100 million. By contrast, Alberta spends about $3.2-million on free seasonal flu shots annually. Then there's the cost of the federal government's H1N1 awareness campaign. The Public Health Agency figures its radio, television, online and print ads carry a $4.5-million price tag. Federal officials have always pleased for patience in the rollout of the pandemic flu vaccine program, noting that this is the largest immunization program in Canadian history and it is not easy to distribute vaccine across a nation as vast as ours. Officials have had to balance the costs of the vaccine program against the potential costs to society and the labour force if a pandemic virus were allowed to spread unabated. Yet some health experts have questioned the cost of the program, noting that the expense far outweighs the seriousness of the H1N1 virus Dr. Richard Schabas, the medical officer of health for Ontario's Hastings and Prince Edward Counties Health Unit tells the Globe he thinks H1N1 lu has been "the most overhyped, overblown exercise I've ever been a part of," noting that the virus is not causing high rates of serious disease or death. Meanwhile, a new poll suggests most Canadians think governments have done an OK job handling of the H1N1 pandemic. The Canadian Press Harris-Decima survey found 22 to 24 per cent of those surveyed said each level of government has done a good job dealing with H1N1 flu, while another 33 to 37 per cent describe their performance as at least fair. Alberta was the exception, with 61 per cent of respondents rating their provincial government's response to swine flu as poor.

and this:

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H1N1 a 'dud' pandemic, Ont. health official says Last Updated: Thursday, November 12, 2009 | 7:33 PM ET CBC News The huge investments governments made in swine flu pandemic planning might not have been justified, an Ontario health official said Thursday. "It's really not causing � and is not going to cause and nowhere has caused � significant levels of illness or death," said Dr. Richard Schabas, Ontario's former chief medical officer of health. "But governments moved ahead regardless. They ramped up their response, spent a huge amount of money on vaccines and other things. I'm not sure the $1.5 billion includes the cost of new ventilators, the cost of Tamiflu stockpiles � the huge investment that's been put into planning for what has ultimately turned out to be, from a pandemic perspective, a dud." Schabas is now the chief medical officer of health for Hastings and Prince Edward counties in eastern Ontario. On Thursday, The Globe and Mail reported that Canada has so far spent $1.5 billion on the H1N1 vaccination campaign, twice as much as health officials had predicted. The H1N1 vaccine targets the strain of H1N1 influenza A virus causing the current swine flu pandemic. Originally, it was estimated a single dose of the vaccine would cost $16. That cost has now risen to $30. The increasing cost is attributed in part to an unexpected surge in demand late last month. By the time the immunization campaign is complete, the cost could exceed $2 billion. In another development, an EKOS poll conducted exclusively for CBC News suggests more than half of Canadians surveyed believe concerns over the risk of H1N1 are exaggerated. Of those polled, 53 per cent said the level of concern about swine flu is exaggerated, considering the real risks involved with the virus. Thirty-seven per cent said the concern was consistent with the level of risk, and 10 per cent said the level of risk was understated. The survey of 3,502 people was conducted by telephone between Nov. 4 and Nov. 10, 2009, and has an error margin of plus or minus 1.7 percentage points, 19 times out of 20. Both landline and cellphone users were included.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 yup... and i dont believe in even that minute risk for the sake of nothing.

So...what about the fact that 84 people have died from the virus?

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Originally posted by jennypie That's right. Because my personal health history indicates that I'm more at risk for getting the flu than cancer.

So if an evil pixie came to you and said you had to choose between having cancer or having the flu....you would want to have cancer?

That isn't even the point I'm making, but thanks for coming out.

and I think you completely missed the point Jay was getting at

No I didn't.

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Originally posted by Skipper So...what about the fact that 84 people have died from the virus?

from swine flu? as i said with SARS and i will say now. How many people died from regular flu in the same time period? How many people die from regular flu normally? How many of the 84 had previous underlying conditions? Why isnt people dying from flu making news any other time?

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Originally posted by Skipper So...what about the fact that 84 people have died from the virus?

A whole 84 people???

Out of 6 billion???






God you're annoying..

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Originally posted by VDub A whole 84 people??? Out of 6 billion???

who what now?


Oh Earth!

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Originally posted by VDub A whole 84 people??? Out of 6 billion??? God you're annoying..

no... I think what was meant was 84 out of 33 million (Canadians)... worldwide the number is apparently in the low thousands - also I think it is a bit over 100 that have died in Canada. still makes for a very very low overall mortality rate, and still considerably low mortality rate per infected.

Jay u r being ridiculous about this!
i got the H1N1 shot a few weeks ago. I did get a small allergic reaction to the shot in the area where i got it. and now weeks later i feel fuckin fantastic! everyone else around me is sick or has gotten sick, but i haven't, and i think its because of the shot. i get sick very easily, and i haven't so far. i thank the H1N1 for that! plus all those hospitalized ppl number r not b/c they got the shot. if u look at the numbers of ppl hospitalized or died from the normal flu every year counts as those numbers. THOUSANDS of ppl apparently die from the normal flu every year, its got nothing to do with the vaccine. and i am first hand proof that there is nothing wrong with that shot.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 So in PEI they have delayed the HPV vaccine. Here is a vaccine that in my opinion is much more important than swine flu. This vaccine prevents HPV which in women is proven to cause cancer. If there is any small risk in taking a vaccine i would think cancer>>>>>>flu I wonder what else is delayed? I wonder what other jurisdictions are affected? I wonder what the next scare will be?

That article makes my blood boil! "Oh we're going to "save" people from the evil swine flu but take away the chances of saving girls from cervical cancer in the meantime!"

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Originally posted by House_Vixen Jay u r being ridiculous about this! i got the H1N1 shot a few weeks ago. I did get a small allergic reaction to the shot in the area where i got it. and now weeks later i feel fuckin fantastic! everyone else around me is sick or has gotten sick, but i haven't, and i think its because of the shot. i get sick very easily, and i haven't so far. i thank the H1N1 for that! plus all those hospitalized ppl number r not b/c they got the shot. if u look at the numbers of ppl hospitalized or died from the normal flu every year counts as those numbers. THOUSANDS of ppl apparently die from the normal flu every year, its got nothing to do with the vaccine. and i am first hand proof that there is nothing wrong with that shot.

not saying there is nec anything wrong with the shot. To me even a small risk is not worth it to avoid a flu. we simply dont know the long term risks involved with something like this. Id rather prevent cancer or something with a vaccine rather than a flu. I still think the swine flu was hyped up for financial reasons more than anything else. And im glad i didnt get it

Millions of vaccinations are ordered and millions of high-risk Canadians are inoculated. The pandemic doesn't happen, and foolish reporters call pandemic a dud.

Pardon?

Government has to make an early decision whether or not to inoculate population against PANDEMIC FLU OUTBREAK early enough so that MANUFACUTRING CAPACITY can be ramped (this stuff doesn't just fall out of the sky) to meet IMMEDIATE demand. Foolish reporters call decision fiscally irresponsible.

Pardon?

I bet the hardest decision Jayx1 has to make every day is blue or red sprinkles on his morning doughnut.

Had this pandemic flu outbreak actually started hammering the population, Jayx1 would be complaining the government hadn't acted early enough given the warnings, and that all non-essential medical treatments should be suspended in order to deal with the outbreak.

But hey, it's all so God dammed simple.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 not saying there is nec anything wrong with the shot. To me even a small risk is not worth it to avoid a flu. we simply dont know the long term risks involved with something like this. Id rather prevent cancer or something with a vaccine rather than a flu. I still think the swine flu was hyped up for financial reasons more than anything else. And im glad i didnt get it

You realize there has been minimal long-term research done for the HPV vaccine, too, right? Initially testing wasn't even done on populations outside of girls in their preteens.

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