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Originally posted by LoveHate i have no idea what hes talking about,

Who? Joel, palm, or someone else?

joel.

cheers mate
interesting read. im gonna give it a go this w.e

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Originally posted by LoveHate joel.

i think he's talking about how to get some good sounds via unison and i think he means if you record things at different time you can get a fat and more intersting sound out of ya vst's and so on.

im sure the next time he's online he will explane things in more detal.

Yeah, what Owien said. He's basically just explaining how to create unison by using detuned wav's, rather than your synth's unison control, which can eat up CPU, etc.

It's very much like the concept behind multi-tracking a vocal line, in which the natural variations in pitch/timing creates a big, full natural chorus effect.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Yeah, what Owien said. He's basically just explaining how to create unison by using detuned wav's, rather than your synth's unison control, which can eat up CPU, etc. It's very much like the concept behind multi-tracking a vocal line, in which the natural variations in pitch/timing creates a big, full natural chorus effect.

ah yes so i guess you can simply record a sample or samples fom a synth and use them to layer sounds. and as cryo says it can save eating up the cpu.

Thanks dude! Very simple concept, but can be very useful.

I'm gonna try this out with each layer on a separate channel like you were suggesting. Then I'll see what kind of funky FX chains and automations I can come up with.

Definitely try to keep these coming!

Neat idea, thanks for sharing.

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Originally posted by cryophonik It's very much like the concept behind multi-tracking a vocal line, in which the natural variations in pitch/timing creates a big, full natural chorus effect.

I been doing that when I make commericals but I never realized I was creating unision until now. lol I keep learning new terms every day! lol

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Originally posted by DjWoody I been doing that when I make commericals but I never realized I was creating unision until now. lol I keep learning new terms every day! lol

I do some commercial work too Woody.

We had to layer some vocals for an international commercial for an italian car manufacturer.

The singer, was so damn tight on her vocals, I swear to god when we tried to double them up as you got was a phase effect - no chorus because there was virtually no pitch deviation between any of her takes! Even on the vibrato on her voice was identical and matched the placement.

We actually had to ask her to mess it up a bit to get a noticeable chorus.

Anyway, nice tips Joel, and I wouldn't worry, just keep em coming. The production forum is very different place and that bullshit won't happen here.

The interesting thing about this tut is that in the 70's, most analogue synths were monophonic and this is what they had to do in lieu of chorus fx/voices, but this just shows how modern recording techniques have progressed and added to the old.

nice

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Someone who posts a lot in the "Chill Out Room" section of this site.

You mean to tell me there's more than a production forum?

Only read briefly, so maybe joel mentioed it, but using this method its also often good to centre one track and pan another 2-4 out on the sides. Highpass the panned ones and detune them and leave the one in the middle either plain or lowpassed. Avoids phase issues in the bottom end, which are common because subs are mono.

nice one joel, cheers for posting, this sort of thing is always extremely useful around these parts!

and as posted above, there are less rtards who troll around here... there are still some extremely effective ones, but they're not as bad as in other sections..

Awesome tute here, thanks mate.. will definately give it a bash

Coolness. Thanks for taking the time Joel.

If I may add something... here it is. I just would like to get more into details when it comes to unison and how it works, and finish your work off.

Basically with this technique, you're totally right, you have more control over the sound except that that unison knob on synths does 3 things.

1. detune: like you said 4 parts get detuned, to be exact 2 of them equally detuned at + or - x cents, and 2 others equally at a higher value, which is usually double value of the two first tones. That's important to keep in mind that everything is symmetrical. Without symmetrical values on both positive and negative sides, you end up with a signal that is out of tune. And I don't know for you all, but I'd rather detune the thing as a whole if that is exactly what I want.

2. spread: I can't agree more with you on that one, only a few synths offer the possibility to keep the signal centered and mono and it's quite annoying at times.


Now there's 3. Symmetrical delays between the parts. In order to make sure that your resulting signal won't flange, you need to add a slight delay, a few milliseconds long, to the most detuned pair. 1 ms might be enough. You can have a try at delaying part 2, 3 4 by respectively 1, 2 and 3ms, but... That's where the outphasing nightmare begins in fact, so be careful with those delays, or else the signal will get out of phase when spreading that thing out. It's better having a single delay on 3-4.

The Wasp bass sound that's famous in Drum and bass and Dubstep only features 2 oscillators/parts, equally detuned.

The Juno Hoover from the Mentasm/Dominator Tracks is a heavily detuned unison on 2 oscs playing at 12 semitones/an octave range, seconded by a pitch envelope with a slight attack.

Now you got all details... Enjoy.

I'm now and forever checking my mix in mono as I go.

I love this forum, good info coming out as of late! No trolls so far either

Lolo give us a tutorial!

Great post Joel, cheers!

Thanks, mau5.

Hot thread. Thanks OP and thanks Lolo for following it up with added infos.

The more tuts the better. Cheers for that

Joel, I just got off the plane back to Sydney and could have sworn I was sitting next to you. That is until the guy started speaking with an aussie accent.
And yes, I did look for the mousehead in the carry on luggage

awesome tip there dude!
going ot have to try that one soon when i get some free time ^_^

Thanks Lolo and Joel. Good stuff!

Love you Joel! Thanx for putting this out!

Great new advice!

Hi Joel.

Since you posted on a forum I go on, Joel, I guess we are good enough friends to be on first name basis now.

Call me.

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Originally posted by Eric J Top advice, Joel

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Originally posted by cryophonik Cool tip, Joel!

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Originally posted by Owsey2008 Thanks for taking the time to write this up, Joel.

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Originally posted by DjWoody Hopefully more artists will follow Lolo & Joel's lead

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Originally posted by Waza Nice read Joel

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Originally posted by LoveHate joel.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN nice tips Joel

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Originally posted by kitphillips maybe joel mentioed it

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Originally posted by EgosXII nice one joel

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Originally posted by Lolo Thanks for taking the time Joel.

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Originally posted by cammaxwell Great post Joel

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Originally posted by Fledz Joel, I just got off the plane back to Sydney

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Thanks Lolo and Joel.

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force Love you Joel!

Joel.

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force Love you Joel!

this is out of line!

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