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Originally posted by Stef the problem is mostly those idiots who are like "OMG HALO 3 FOR THE PC AND ONLY 100KB, I <3 LIMEWIRE"

so true, i was like that when i was 13. once again proves the old adage, "if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is"

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Originally posted by Domesticated Why not? I would say that's an elementary part of running a computer. You don't even have to visit suspect sites to get viruses anymore. Plenty just scan for open ports and infect that way.

Patently false. I am sure you are quite aware of what a router is, and how it works. Not only do I have mine properly setup, but just the nature in which a proper router with stateful packet inspection and NAT works, is in a way that denies all packets that aren't requested from within the network first. So you can scan me all you want, but you won't get shit. Also, just because you have an open port, that doesn't mean that you are vulnerable to anything. You have to have something listening on that port to enable anything.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Patently false. I am sure you are quite aware of what a router is, and how it works. Not only do I have mine properly setup, but just the nature in which a proper router with stateful packet inspection and NAT works, is in a way that denies all packets that aren't requested from within the network first. So you can scan me all you want, but you won't get shit. Also, just because you have an open port, that doesn't mean that you are vulnerable to anything. You have to have something listening on that port to enable anything.

Okay, denying that, what about worms, rootkits, trojans and all the other nasties out there that can be picked up through email and visiting hacked websites or .exe files? Why do you think you don't need protection against them?

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Originally posted by Domesticated Okay, denying that, what about worms, rootkits, trojans and all the other nasties out there that can be picked up through email and visiting hacked websites or .exe files? Why do you think you don't need protection against them?

Because the first method of defense, is your browser. I use Chrome, which is THE most sandobxed browser that exists. In fact, at pwn2own, it was the ONLY browser to successfully avoid all hijacks. Why? Because of this sandboxing. Second, to get them, I would still need to install some sort of launcher. Whether that be a script, an exe, or whatever, I don't install stuff I am unfamiliar with. And if it is, for instance, pirated software, I read comments and what not to ensure I am not downloading something infected. It also helps that I don't download from public resources like limewire or thepiratebay. So, I am pretty insulated from most of these threats. Not saying I am infallible, but the possibility is already mitigated so low, that the likelihood is extremely small.

Source for pwn2own

Why leave it to chance though? That's like buying a house in a really nice neighbourhood and not putting a lock on the door. It costs very little and doesn't cause many problems. Chrome will be exploited over time.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Why leave it to chance though? That's like buying a house in a really nice neighbourhood and not putting a lock on the door. It costs very little and doesn't cause many problems. Chrome will be exploited over time.

I would generally agree for most people, but I haven't had an issue in 10 years. It isn't like I am complacent about things.

i don't use them because of the daily headaches of random warning messages, longer startup times, constant updating at inopportune times, and excessive CPU/memory usage. if you take care of your computer and are careful about how you use it, you shouldn't have problems.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel I would generally agree for most people, but I haven't had an issue in 10 years. It isn't like I am complacent about things.

Maybe not for people who are meticulously secure about their computer, even then, I'm shocked you are so opposed to using an antivirus program. Like Domesticated said, it's like not putting a lock on your door. Just because you normally don't visit any websites or deal with any emails that may have a virus or spyware doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt to keep your computer safe regardless of what you run into. Anything could happen. If you had an antivirus program you would be undoubtedly safer, and you can't argue against that.

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Originally posted by ziptnf Maybe not for people who are meticulously secure about their computer, even then, I'm shocked you are so opposed to using an antivirus program. Like Domesticated said, it's like not putting a lock on your door. Just because you normally don't visit any websites or deal with any emails that may have a virus or spyware doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt to keep your computer safe regardless of what you run into. Anything could happen. If you had an antivirus program you would be undoubtedly safer, and you can't argue against that.

As I said, generally for others I would agree. I don't have an issue with it. I just don't have a need for it. Is that hard to understand?

I'm using Microsoft's free AV, and so far so good. I was using Kaspersky before, and this compares quite well. If you're running a good machine, you don't even notice it.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel As I said, generally for others I would agree. I don't have an issue with it. I just don't have a need for it. Is that hard to understand?

Yes, speak Danish!

I use something that begins with an Mc on my personal computer. It works fine and costs about 50 american dollars a year.

Ben, every time it runs a scan it finds this thing in my mirc.exe file. Artemis or something like that. What is that? A worm? Its actually located in one of my external hard drives.

McAfee? Pretty sure that's Norton.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel I can't really help, as I haven't, and continue to not, use any sort of anti-virus or anti-spyware applications at all.

Agreed. If I'm going to have nuisance software on my PC, I'm sure not going to be the one who put it there...

http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/

I agree with what Ben said. A correctly set up hardware firewall (router) is the best defense from computer attacks. Being smart with your software/browsing/email is the best defense from being infected.

In all my years using a PC, I have never been infected with a virus. Having said all that I still run Avast "just in case". It's a good, easy to use program, that uses minimal computer resources.

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Originally posted by Fpcookie I agree with what Ben said. A correctly set up hardware firewall (router) is the best defense from computer attacks. Being smart with your software/browsing/email is the best defense from being infected. In all my years using a PC, I have never been infected with a virus. Having said all that I still run Avast "just in case". It's a good, easy to use program, that uses minimal computer resources.

cheers, and domesticated. I guess being my lappy my biggest worry is that when i take it out, wi-fi hotspots, hotels etc, will I still have the same sort of protection from their stuff?

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel As I said, generally for others I would agree. I don't have an issue with it. I just don't have a need for it. Is that hard to understand?

Yes, actually

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Originally posted by jennypie McAfee? Pretty sure that's Norton.

McAfee = McAfee

Norton = Norton/Symantec

Just to clarify.

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Originally posted by Ian cheers, and domesticated. I guess being my lappy my biggest worry is that when i take it out, wi-fi hotspots, hotels etc, will I still have the same sort of protection from their stuff?

Here's a quick article on hotel hotspot safety, in general it's a bad idea to conduct any serious business, especially banking related, on their networks. In this case, you would probably want a firewall of some kind.

http://antivirus.about.com/od/secur.../bizcenters.htm

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Originally posted by ziptnf Here's a quick article on hotel hotspot safety, in general it's a bad idea to conduct any serious business, especially banking related, on their networks. In this case, you would probably want a firewall of some kind. http://antivirus.about.com/od/secur.../bizcenters.htm

Aye. I might want to quickly check my internet banking for example, so I might get something like bitdefender. It'll cover both my machines & potentially one more and is a good price.

I've said this for years, stop going to shady porn sites and you will be fine.


and a +1 to the I don't use this software peeps. You should also partition your computer so that you can reformat without losing anything. Some people even point their profile to a partitioned drive so that after they reinstall their windows image they still have all their preferences.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Yes, speak Danish! I use something that begins with an Mc on my personal computer. It works fine and costs about 50 american dollars a year. Ben, every time it runs a scan it finds this thing in my mirc.exe file. Artemis or something like that. What is that? A worm? Its actually located in one of my external hard drives.

Not sure why it would detect mIRC as anything, unless it was actually infected. Just delete it. You can download it from www.mirc.com easily.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 Some people even point their profile to a partitioned drive so that after they reinstall their windows image they still have all their preferences.

This is such a pain in the ass to get working properly. It is quite convenient though!

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Originally posted by david.michael McAfee = McAfee Norton = Norton/Symantec Just to clarify.

Ah cool. Didn't know that.

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Originally posted by jennypie Ah cool. Didn't know that.

this would be time for 'the more you know'

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