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Really nice mix, hardly any of it was familiar to me, but I heard some cool stuff in there. Had a nice retro feel to it, and mostly devoid of the cheese you associate with modern-day trance. There was one point I remember a bit of clashing, but I couldn't tell you where exactly since I didn't know what the songs are. You definitely have a diverse and impressive collection of music and I really appreciate the mixes you do that gets the word out about these songs.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Mostly a very good set. Started off very well, lost my interest slightly around the hour mark but then pulled it back again shortly after that.

I actually really enjoyed this structure. It stood out as unique to me rather than the stereotypical open with ambient, move to prog and then onto the harder stuff. I formulated this opinion prior to reading your post; to me the structuring seemed very deliberate and worked brilliantly. I'm now keen to try something similar.

In opening with progressive/straight trance, the mix grabbed my attention instantly. The transition into downtempo/ambient-ish trance was smooth and that section felt like one giant inhalation of breath before a peak I was sure would come. You didn't disappoint Sandleaper, the banging stuff straight after was awesome. The track at the 66 minute mark was superb especially. What was it?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J the mixing was pretty good. I know you use Traktor, but I still think you have quite a distinct and interesting mixing style, where you're not afraid to layer busy parts of tracks. The only bad transition I found was the one into Beatprayer - Message, which clashed a bit.

I agree with this, however. The mixing was bold; again, something which I'd like to introduce into my own sets. I find my own transitions to be very safe and they tend to be rather Armin-ish and predictable as a result, creating less interesting overlays of music. Your mixing strikes me the complete opposite. It was smooth yet still busy enough to create good percussive patterns et cetera.

I'm not sure of which track Beatprayer was, but there was just one dud mix that stood out to me; that at the 83 minute mark. I'm sure it's the same one that SYSTEM-J was talking about. Melodically it didn't quite fit and felt very rushed (that short intro you were talking about?).

Okay - mixing and flow out of the way. The track selection was impeccable too. I didn't know many of these tunes, but most of them sounded as if they were plucked from the mid '90s; this I really enjoyed. Great work.

This is one of the best sets I've listened to this year I think. I'll grab your others this weekend.

Finally, if you like No Code and tracks like it, I suggest you pick up Jonathan Allyn's newest EP, which is also on Pharmacy Music. It features two dark and quality stormers, 132 and 136 BPM respectively, which probably would have slotted nicely into this set too.

It wasn't the structure that lost my interest, just a stretch of tracks.

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Originally posted by Domesticated The track at the 66 minute mark was superb especially. What was it?

That's D.E.E.P.E.R - Abstraction, one of the few semi-recent notable MIKE-productions.

It seems like the common consensus is that the Marmion/Beatprayer-mix doesn't work. I have to admit that I don't have nearly as much of a problem with it as the people in this thread have, but it is nevertheless duly noted.

Cheers for the thorough feedback, I appreciate it.

This one is just fucking awesome. Good track selection - you always know how to serve us fresh sounding, unoverplayed, good tunes -, interesting way of structuring your mix which worked out very well. Maybe I didn't really pay attention to it in your previous mixes, but it seems like you played around with effects more this time. Either way, I liked it a lot.

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Originally posted by Unique2701 This one is just fucking awesome. Good track selection - you always know how to serve us fresh sounding, unoverplayed, good tunes -, interesting way of structuring your mix which worked out very well. Maybe I didn't really pay attention to it in your previous mixes, but it seems like you played around with effects more this time. Either way, I liked it a lot.

Thank you, miss.

I can't say I noticed more effects than usual personally. However, this set lends itself more to being tinkered with, being less melodic and veering more towards techno than usual.

Downloaded and listening now, in the dark.

Loving it thus far...

Thank you, Mr. Sand Leaper. I've enjoyed this set three or four times already. Its probably one of if not my favorite trance set ever. Just awesome tracks, awesome assembly, good good from start to finish.

Thank you for this and all of the other good music you've shared over the last five years.

Appreciated as always.

i need to get some of this also. this will remind me to come back when im online

78:28 fuck yes.

Bump, because this is fucking glorious. I've listened to this four or five times and can't get enough of it.

Way better than the J00F EM imo.

16 minutes in and loving it

Just throwin' in my support...Good stuff (y)

Cheers for listening guys, as always, 'tis much appreciated.

Next time I'll have to make something that isn't so focused on a single genre, as I haven't done that for a while now.

Incredible mix. One of the best I've heard from TA.

Pitched this down by 4% and it sounded absolutely sick, really nice grooves. Had a sort of 1997 prog feel to it!

Sorry but I just tend to prefer my music a bit slower these days... if that's not a sign that I'm getting old, I don't know what is.

It did of course help that the flat next door's fire alarm went off about half way through and was beeping bang in time. Pretty large moment there.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Sorry but I just tend to prefer my music a bit slower these days... if that's not a sign that I'm getting old, I don't know what is.

I don't buy this theory at all. For example, Discogs' forum has plenty of mid-30s ex-techno ravers who are giddier than anyone else the few times they get to attend one of those facemelting warehouse raves.

I also never understood why someone would "prefer" slower or faster music, as the BPM of a track is not necessarily indicative of what kind of music that track will represent (Monolake - Magenta and The Black Dog - Babylon (Hanging Gardens) come to mind). It all strikes me as a bit narrowminded, to be honest, but I guess that's a topic for another thread.

Either way, I appreciate that you took the time to listen to my mix.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper I don't buy this theory at all. For example, Discogs' forum has plenty of mid-30s ex-techno ravers who are giddier than anyone else the few times they get to attend one of those facemelting warehouse raves. I also never understood why someone would "prefer" slower or faster music, as the BPM of a track is not necessarily indicative of what kind of music that track will represent (Monolake - Magenta and The Black Dog - Babylon (Hanging Gardens) come to mind). It all strikes me as a bit narrowminded, to be honest, but I guess that's a topic for another thread. Either way, I appreciate that you took the time to listen to my mix.

Haha that comment wasn't supposed to be entirely serious and certainly not a final judgement against everything over 135 bpm... it's just that this mix worked quite nicely a bit slower while I was sitting and listening at home. But I am finding more and more that I tend to find music in in the 140bpm+ ballpark a bit much.

In fact I quite often pitch down my own older mixes when I listen to them.

And no, the speed isn't indicative of the genre, but that doesn't mean that if you like a track at 130 bpm you'll enjoy just as much at 150, regardless of what mood you're in (and the speed you like to listen to music probably does have more to do with mood than anything else).

I actually think a lot more of the groove comes out when music's slower, which makes up for the energy it would otherwise get from being fast.

Don't take it personally! I said I really enjoyed it!

And I love the sentiment of trance without the fluffy breakdowns - it was the rolling percussion and dark twisted sounds which got me hooked on trance in the first place, so a DJ focussing on that side with some nice melodic bits thrown in is right up my street.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox And no, the speed isn't indicative of the genre, but that doesn't mean that if you like a track at 130 bpm you'll enjoy just as much at 150, regardless of what mood you're in (and the speed you like to listen to music probably does have more to do with mood than anything else).

Whether a track sounds better at 130 or 150 isn't the point, though. This is about PREFERRING slower or faster music as a preconceived notion, regardless of what the music's actual ideas and creative content is. That's why I think sweeping statements like this...

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I actually think a lot more of the groove comes out when music's slower, which makes up for the energy it would otherwise get from being fast.

...are a bit short-sighted. They presume that electronic music in general follows the same formula that "sounds better" when played more slowly, and that a higher BPM automatically means that a track is more energetic. While this is certainly true for a lot of electronic music, there is also loads of music that it does not ring true for (one example of this would be how playing Speedy J - De-Orbit at the wrong speed suddenly became a trend after the jungle brigade picked it up. Another is how dubstep is often seen as "too slow to dance to", when really it runs at 140 BPM). Since electronic music is so varied, filtering your tastes based on the BPM count strikes me as a bit narrowminded.

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Don't take it personally! I said I really enjoyed it!

I wasn't offended, don't worry. This isn't really so much about my set as it is a general pet peeve of mine, especially seeing as how clubnights have become so genre-specific.

At the risk of carpet-bombing with generalisation, as people grow older their tastes tend towards more subtle, thoughtful music, especially once they get past the age where they regularly go clubbing. Faster music is generally seen as less subtle or sophisticated.

(And yes, I know that most of these generalisations aren't really true and preconceived notions shouldn't dictate how you think of a piece of music. I'm not saying the attitude is right, I'm just throwing out possible explanations.)

When I was a teenager I listened to a lot of hard trance and glowstick stuff. I heard people cite this truism and worried that I'd follow the pattern. True enough, I don't often listen to music over 140bpm, especially not hard trance. As a teenager the speed and the energy feels transgressive, aggressive, in line with how I felt at the time. I had a minor fascination for a while with finding the hardest, fastest music, listening to gabber and hard acid techno. But when I heard all the stupidcores on Ishkur's Guide the bubble was burst somewhat. I quickly grew out of it. I think many people who start off with ecstasy and epic trance when they're 17 go through a semi-similar process.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J At the risk of carpet-bombing with generalisation, as people grow older their tastes tend towards more subtle, thoughtful music, especially once they get past the age where they regularly go clubbing. Faster music is generally seen as less subtle or sophisticated. (And yes, I know that most of these generalisations aren't really true and preconceived notions shouldn't dictate how you think of a piece of music. I'm not saying the attitude is right, I'm just throwing out possible explanations.) When I was a teenager I listened to a lot of hard trance and glowstick stuff. I heard people cite this truism and worried that I'd follow the pattern. True enough, I don't often listen to music over 140bpm, especially not hard trance. As a teenager the speed and the energy feels transgressive, aggressive, in line with how I felt at the time. I had a minor fascination for a while with finding the hardest, fastest music, listening to gabber and hard acid techno. But when I heard all the stupidcores on Ishkur's Guide the bubble was burst somewhat. I quickly grew out of it. I think many people who start off with ecstasy and epic trance when they're 17 go through a semi-similar process.

Since I didn't do the whole drugs thing, it doesn't bother me at all. I still like my trance upwards of 140 and my psy at about 148. I like d&b at 174-180bpm and whilst I do listen to some slower stuff too, I've never felt like I needed to go any different tempo wise but I've always just done what sounds good to my ears.

I didn't do drugs back then. I'm only talking about when I was 14-16. My tastes have still gone towards slightly slower music. The point I'm making is that's not to do with the tempo as such but rather with the properties of the music. I still listen to drum 'n bass or psytrance at high tempos if it draws me in, but high tempo no longer has any adolescent attraction in of itself.

I understand your point mate. I also remember a lot of people when we were young here who said we'd always end up at house music, but i still haven't. I find music that can be much slower like the current Autonomic podcast style from dbridge/instra:mental doesn't seem it, and always have enjoyed more speed, not sure why, I guess growing up on the old prodigy & then hardcore/breakbeat/jungle/speedcore did it.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Whether a track sounds better at 130 or 150 isn't the point, though. This is about PREFERRING slower or faster music as a preconceived notion, regardless of what the music's actual ideas and creative content is. That's why I think sweeping statements like this... ...are a bit short-sighted. They presume that electronic music in general follows the same formula that "sounds better" when played more slowly, and that a higher BPM automatically means that a track is more energetic. While this is certainly true for a lot of electronic music, there is also loads of music that it does not ring true for (one example of this would be how playing Speedy J - De-Orbit at the wrong speed suddenly became a trend after the jungle brigade picked it up. Another is how dubstep is often seen as "too slow to dance to", when really it runs at 140 BPM). Since electronic music is so varied, filtering your tastes based on the BPM count strikes me as a bit narrowminded. I wasn't offended, don't worry. This isn't really so much about my set as it is a general pet peeve of mine, especially seeing as how clubnights have become so genre-specific.

Ah I can't really be arsed to argue, tbh I think we're probably more on the same page than you think.

I wasn't judging based on BPM count, I just found that I enjoyed it a bit more in that situation after I'd slowed it down! And my comment about getting older was just a slightly lighthearted observation of how my listening habits have changed.

Without wanting to sound like a c**t (but probably managing it anyway), I'm probably actually one of the more musically open-minded people on TA. I also often say things in much more generalised and exaggerated terms than I really mean (sometimes to make a point, sometimes trying to be funny, sometimes just because it's easier than being specific), so maybe I should watch that

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