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Originally posted by jennypie Yeah some legal shit. But sorry, to answer your original question...yes I would consider euthanasia. Again, the ethics of the situation depend on the values of people involved, and if laws were in place in society that allowed euthanasia, I would do it.

So what would you do if your child lived a happy childhood normal & then got very sick for some reason & ends up mentally challenged because of whatever caused them to end up that way.. Lets say you child was a teenager.

What would you do then?

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Originally posted by MJM74 So what would you do if your child lived a happy childhood normal & then got very sick for some reason & ends up mentally challenged because of whatever caused them to end up that way.. Lets say you child was a teenager. What would you do then?

As much as I applaud the fact that you try to think along with me, she already answered that:

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Originally posted by jennypie yes I would consider euthanasia

It would depend on their level of impairment and how much I would be able to care for them. If they were impaired to the point that their needs couldn't be met by myself alone, I would put them in the care of social services. But if it was so bad that their quality of life was significantly diminished and/or they had little to no autonomy, for sure I would consider euthanasia.

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Originally posted by Frenkieee As much as I applaud the fact that you try to think along with me, she already answered that:

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Originally posted by jennypie It would depend on their level of impairment and how much I would be able to care for them. If they were impaired to the point that their needs couldn't be met by myself alone, I would put them in the care of social services. But if it was so bad that their quality of life was significantly diminished and/or they had little to no autonomy, for sure I would consider euthanasia.

I understood she would to this during the early stages of pregnancy. She is staing that she would consider euthanasia to her own flesh & blood & because of an accident that resulted in her poor child ending up mentally challenged she would do this?

I just answered your question in the post above yours.

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Originally posted by jennypie I just answered your question in the post above yours.

I know you did. I quoted Frenkieee so he could understand what I was reading about what you posted.


So I guess you would kill your own child because they got sick & ended up mentally challanged?
That's sad.
I can understand putting them in the care of social services but to kill your own child?

Your values are not my values. I value quality of life and autonomy, and if my child could have neither of those things anymore, hell yes I would, as they say, "put him/her out of his/her misery."

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Originally posted by MJM74 So I guess you would kill your own child because they got sick & ended up mentally challanged? That's sad. I can understand putting them in the care of social services but to kill your own child?

Now you're taking things out of context a bit, because there's quite a difference between mentally challenged and someone who's not capable of anything more than breathing.

It's ok, I can guarantee you his beliefs are rooted some kind of Christian or religious, non-rational bullshit.

Yeah, I guess you'd have to be atheist (or the likes) to consider 'killing' your own blood.

Thank god (ghehe) all that religious crap has gone past me all my life.

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Originally posted by jennypie Your values are not my values. I value quality of life and autonomy, and if my child could have neither of those things anymore, hell yes I would, as they say, "put him/her out of his/her misery."

but all in all it shows how much you really value quality of life.

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Originally posted by Frenkieee Now you're taking things out of context a bit, because there's quite a difference between mentally challenged and someone who's not capable of anything more than breathing.

That I can understand. You are right, there is a big defference but even then it sad for someone to even think that way.

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Originally posted by jennypie It's ok, I can guarantee you his beliefs are rooted some kind of Christian or religious, non-rational bullshit.

Nope.

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Originally posted by jennypie What ethical issue? The ethics of the issue are dependent upon the values of the people involved. For me, there there wouldn't be any kind of dilemma. And since it is entirely legal to terminate a pregnancy if you know there is a detrimental defect, it supports the decision I would make.

Unlike regular abortion, in which case I'm adamantly against, I really think it's hard to take a firm stance here, because there this question covers way too many possible scenarios.

The main question I'd ask the doctor is whether or not the child would be able to feel, as I value feeling as much as thinking. If the child turns out to be a sentient being left with a poor cognitive system, I wouldn't want to abort it.

The child-hater in me says 'yes' without any hesitation... but the optimist in me says "What if it turns out to be the next Kim Peek?" I'd probably still kill the brat anyway.

ETA: Unless he was like Timmy... that would be cool.

Id put liquid paper in its eyes

That's right, MJM. I do not qualify simply being alive as quality of life.



Having just finished a health care ethics course, I'm actually very interested in issues like this...and when I get home would be glad to further engage in this conversation.

I would think an atheist would take this issue more severely then someone inclined to some sort of religion or afterlife. This due to the fact that an atheist recognizes that once this life is over.. thats it.. done finito. At least if you put the child out of its misery, from a religious standpoint, there is an afterlife and a positive conclusion.

I would have to think very hard about this. Keep in mind we pay taxes for healthcare and i would honestly rather spend the money towards someone who is physically challenged and cannot help it, then some welfare bum whos gonna waste his money on crack and alcohol.

I am fully for genetic testing and screening children and abortion before a certain period. But euthanasia should be at the discretion of the one to be euthanized. If i became a quadrepeligate i wouldn't want to be euthanized, i know that for sure. Fully incapacitated with only vision? Perhaps yes but i am not sure.

You hear stories about people slowly recovering from things like this and man they are happy to be alive.

There is only one life. Fuck it.. just live it as best you can.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit I would think an atheist would take this issue more severely then someone inclined to some sort of religion or afterlife. This due to the fact that an atheist recognizes that once this life is over.. thats it.. done finito. At least if you put the child out of its misery, from a religious standpoint, there is an afterlife and a positive conclusion. I would have to think very hard about this. Keep in mind we pay taxes for healthcare and i would honestly rather spend the money towards someone who is physically challenged and cannot help it, then some welfare bum whos gonna waste his money on crack and alcohol. I am fully for genetic testing and screening children and abortion before a certain period. But euthanasia should be at the discretion of the one to be euthanized. If i became a quadrepeligate i wouldn't want to be euthanized, i know that for sure. Fully incapacitated with only vision? Perhaps yes but i am not sure. You hear stories about people slowly recovering from things like this and man they are happy to be alive. There is only one life. Fuck it.. just live it as best you can.

Same here. Hey, we found something we agree on

i don't know what i'd do, but my one fear is having a dumb kid. followed by having a really ugly kid. lol

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Originally posted by Lira Same here. Hey, we found something we agree on

didnt i already tell you i love big tits?

shame on you.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit didnt i already tell you i love big tits? shame on you.

I don't think so. But, I'm glad to know we've got so much more in common

We are the only species which goes against the grain of natural selection by artificially selecting for bad genes.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue i don't know what i'd do, but my one fear is having a dumb kid. followed by having a really ugly kid. lol

right now my one fear is just having a kid.....

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Originally posted by jennypie I would have the amniotic fluid tested in the early stages of labour and avoid it altogether.

Not exactly the safest procedure around.

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