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i'm not saying he doesn't have a right to make money, i'm saying just because he's making a lot of money doesn't mean he's making something that's any good. a lot of confused idiots think the two are directly related. hi tommy! now a lot of people will argue that music is subjective, but what's not subjective is the fact that in large populations there are always more ignorant people than educated, and so you can always be more successful catering to the lowest common denominator using the most formulaic and mediocre sounds in edm. that's why companies like mcdonalds and budweiser are much more successful than their more refined competitors. taste is also subjective, but who of you will argue that mcdonalds makes the best burger and the budweiser makes the best beer just because they are number 1 in gross sales?

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Originally posted by R!CH i'm not saying he doesn't have a right to make money, i'm saying just because he's making a lot of money doesn't mean he's making something that's any good. a lot of confused idiots think the two are directly related. hi tommy! now a lot of people will argue that music is subjective, but what's not subjective is the fact that in large populations there are always more ignorant people than educated, and so you can always be more successful catering to the lowest common denominator using the most formulaic and mediocre sounds in edm. that's why companies like mcdonalds and budweiser are much more successful than their more refined competitors. taste is also subjective, but who of you will argue that mcdonalds makes the best burger and the budweiser makes the best beer just because they are number 1 in gross sales?

Again, the topic of this post was Who are the highest grossing EDM Dj's/Producers? Not, who makes respectable music or any music that's good to your liking.

And with that said, Guetta is making BANK right now. Even if you think his music is cheese, that's a fact. He's milking it!

hasnt gotten bad in here billy....though the potential is there.
any of the dj's youve had to work with brag about all the $ they just made to manipulate music on their laptops?

maybe one of our TA bookers can chime in with some info.

i would think the most highly paid for a gig would include Tiesto, Fat Boy Slim, Prodigy, David Guetta, Eric Morillo, Carl Cox. Not sure what kind of money is being pulled by other angles such as tracks, labels, sponsors, etc.

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Originally posted by DjWoody Again, the topic of this post was Who are the highest grossing EDM Dj's/Producers? Not, who makes respectable music or any music that's good to your liking. And with that said, Guetta is making BANK right now. Even if you think his music is cheese, that's a fact. He's milking it!

Rich is arguing against the statement 'going platinum spells success'. Not all musicians define 'success' as reaching commercial appeal by selling music to the masses...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prodigy

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They have sold nearly 20 million records worldwide which is unequalled in dance music history.[1]

when people say a dj gets say 30k for a gig, is that the net amount the dj goes home with? or does the manager/booking agency get a cut, then subtract out the airfare/hotel, etc. I'd like to hear more about the money side of the whole dj scene, from people who have actually seen some contracts or checks.

thx

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Originally posted by DjWoody Again, the topic of this post was Who are the highest grossing EDM Dj's/Producers? Not, who makes respectable music or any music that's good to your liking. And with that said, Guetta is making BANK right now. Even if you think his music is cheese, that's a fact. He's milking it!

Ricardo Villalobos makes bank and plays basically some of the best dance music in the world.

It is possible to be quite successful without selling out, it's just more difficult and requires more work and artistic integrity.

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Originally posted by spinvinyl when people say a dj gets say 30k for a gig, is that the net amount the dj goes home with? or does the manager/booking agency get a cut, then subtract out the airfare/hotel, etc. I'd like to hear more about the money side of the whole dj scene, from people who have actually seen some contracts or checks. thx

It all depends on what you worked out. Artists know how much they wanna go home with. They add booking fees and other expenses on top of that.

For instance, a while back we were gonna book a known trance DJ. His agency was charging us $3000 for him alone. On top of that, they wanted 10% booking fee, hotel, lodging, first/business class airfare for two from Europe (payable to the agency, they will book the flight), and 50% deposit upfront. At the end, those $3000 ended up being closer to $6,000.

Now imagine booking someone like PVD who stays at the 4 Seasons hotel in Beverly Hills everytime he comes to LA. Or even worse, try booking Tiesto who requires his own security detail and sometimes private plane. It gets expensive quick, that's why we pay very high prices in LA.

The same DJ I wanted to book in LA for $3000, could well be worth $1000 in other cities.

Supply and demand has a lot to do with it too.

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Originally posted by DjWoody Again, the topic of this post was Who are the highest grossing EDM Dj's/Producers? Not, who makes respectable music or any music that's good to your liking. And with that said, Guetta is making BANK right now. Even if you think his music is cheese, that's a fact. He's milking it!

AGAIN, i know what the topic of this thread is. bigperf's nebulous observation that "selling out arenas and going platinum spells success in the music industry, so regardless on anyones thoughts on david guetta's music, the man is doing something right" leaves open the implication that the highest grossing djs are doing it right. so before anyone got the wrong idea, i wanted to clarify that what they are doing right is making money. maybe you haven't noticed, but a lot of really dense people use the argument that their music can't possibly be bad because they are making money. if i hadn't clarified that point, every noob lurker reading along would assume tiesto, armin and guetta are what's right in the scene. wrong!

if you were to book a dj in LA right now....

in order of cost based on what i've heard paid the last year or so:

1) Tiesto is $75-100K
2) Guetta/Sasha around $40K
3) Armin/Morillo around $30K


booking fees for the 2nd tier djs has dropped a lot recently... many are getting 50-67% less than at their peaks...

Kaskade is the best bang-for-your-buck in terms of his cost and the # of attendees... you can prob get him in the 10-15K range right now depending on the event...

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Originally posted by R!CH bigperf's nebulous observation that "selling out arenas and going platinum spells success in the music industry

ya my bad on that. i was just looking for who brings in the most money. we've touched on fees for performances, but how about radio shows, or cd' compilations. I like the response about the 20 million albums sold. a lot of the artists we go see, don't produce music that gets sold on beatport, or create albums(CD's, what are those things!) so if you dont produce tracks or sell albums those are 2 less sources of revenues.

hearing a DJ makes $60,000 for a club gig is ridiculous. Arena, ok...but for a club, damn. even charging $100 a person you need 600 people to break even(without taking liquor, overhead, etc into consideration), most clubs dont have capacity over 1000 people!

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Originally posted by bigperf hearing a DJ makes $60,000 for a club gig is ridiculous. Arena, ok...but for a club, damn. even charging $100 a person you need 600 people to break even(without taking liquor, overhead, etc into consideration), most clubs dont have capacity over 1000 people!

no dj gets anywhere near those figures on a tuesday nite in Oklahoma City... but on a Sat nite in LA/Vegas/Miami, the clubs usually make a nice profit even paying those fees. we have a fan base here who has proven over-and-over they will pay $50-100 to see the top djs. Send through 2,000 covers at Avalon or Vanguard or Mansion or Haze and the promoters/club owners did fine...

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Originally posted by bigperf a lot of the artists we go see, don't produce music that gets sold on beatport, or create albums(CD's, what are those things!) so if you dont produce tracks or sell albums those are 2 less sources of revenues.

Honestly, artists don't make much off beatport sales. DJs mainly produce music for promotional purposes and exposing their sound to the world which can lead to more bookings. The good money comes from gigs.

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Originally posted by R!CH you play top 40 mashups so i'm quite sure your opinion of respectable differs from mine. the question is how well you can rationalize what respectable is and in what context you're speaking from. if your rationale for respectability is simply "$$$", then you are full of shit. you talk to anyone who tries to sell you on tiesto's music today and it's always the same argument... $$$ DJMAG $$$ DJMAG $$$. try pulling that argument in the music discussion forum, where people know what they're talking about.

I find that quite interesting. How exactly would you define good music then? The people in the music discussion forum may have been in the industry for years and they may understand the technical elements that go into making a tune.

However, all that still gives them is 1 vote should a worldwide poll be conducted into who makes the best music. I bet my house that armin and tiesto would win that as well. How would these people in the music discussion forum defend that?

Tiesto and Armin make music that is simple and easy to understand by the general public who have now almost completely stripped the underground roots of dance music and made it probably the fastest growing genre in popularity today and while the veterans can compare them to unwanted invaders, they pay the same amount for a ticket that we do (besides you lucky ones who have hookups and get in for free ) .

Tiesto and Armin arnt disrespecting the music ( did the music tell you that or are you just speaking on behalf of the music?) , they have just embraced a sub genre of it that they feel can raise them the big bucks and its working brilliantly for them.

The underground people who stayed true to their roots are called Artists, Armin and Tiesto are called businessmen. The difference being , the former have the respect of seasoned peers and fans who have been in the industry/ following it when Tiesto was DJ Tiesto while the latter have their names known by the world and while mostly having bandwagon fans , fill up stadiums and in turn their pockets.

Its like citing the difference between a Film and a Movie.

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Originally posted by R!CH Stupid people's opinions don't matter. Only I or those with similarly refined tastes can define "success."

FTFY

Seriously dude, the idea of success is so incredibly subjective that its kind of ridiculous for you to come out and flatly state one method of its judgement as being "wrong."

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Originally posted by diskodave Honestly, artists don't make much off beatport sales. DJs mainly produce music for promotional purposes and exposing their sound to the world which can lead to more bookings. The good money comes from gigs.

QFT

Its really interesting to hear what ppl are paying in LA. Sacramento can't do most of the prices y'all are talking about right now. We are def. an emerging market. Thank god most agencies understand that and know that when we are working with them. I'm not sure the numbers exactly, but SPUNDAE did Armin Van Buuren and Ferry Corsten in sacramento at a club that holds 800-900, and they def. didn't pack it out. We did Cosmic Gate in sac on a thurs, had 450 ppl singing along and dancing all night and considered that a success. I think someone in here mentioned that things were relative, that is def. true for us.


I do alot of underground stuff, but I am grateful for the really mainstream stuff, cheesy mainstream stuff (castles in the sky anyone? lol)is what initially got me into dance music that I now love so much. The more people that get turned onto dance music, means the more a market like ours will emerge and the more opportunities we will have. I hope the big guys keep doing their thing, and hope ppl keep digging deeper and finding their own niche.


(i guess thats not exactly answering the exact question of the thread title, but i was feeding off of what everyone was discussing)

R!CH you are absolutely full of shit like always and I like the fact that you like to mention me in every single one of your posts even on posts that I haven't even commented. I don't swing both ways just in case you were looking for a BF so get of my N**Z....

There are some Dj's that don't meet your taste that's fine man some others enjoy them and vice versa. You don't see others post 200 times a day about how one DJ that you like sucks... We all got it R!CH HATES GUETTA!!!! No problem buddy stop having panic attacks every time some one mentions his name!!!

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Originally posted by TommyfromLA R!CH you are absolutely full of shit like always and I like the fact that you like to mention me in every single one of your posts even on posts that I haven't even commented. I don't swing both ways just in case you were looking for a BF so get of my N**Z.... There are some Dj's that don't meet your taste that's fine man some others enjoy them and vice versa. You don't see others post 200 times a day about how one DJ that you like sucks... We all got it R!CH HATES GUETTA!!!! No problem buddy stop having panic attacks every time some one mentions his name!!!

This is a discussion forum. He can discuss the topic at hand however he likes, same as everyone. Just because he has a dissenting opinion doesn't mean he's "having panic attacks"

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Originally posted by TommyfromLA R!CH you are absolutely full of shit like always and I like the fact that you like to mention me in every single one of your posts even on posts that I haven't even commented. I don't swing both ways just in case you were looking for a BF so get of my N**Z.... There are some Dj's that don't meet your taste that's fine man some others enjoy them and vice versa. You don't see others post 200 times a day about how one DJ that you like sucks... We all got it R!CH HATES GUETTA!!!! No problem buddy stop having panic attacks every time some one mentions his name!!!

LOL buddy - I think you need to relax and comprehend what's been said. Once again you are jumping to the gun, defending your tiestos, armins, and guettas... when in fact Rich is simply saying that as an EDM artist, success isn't defined by hitting platinum record sales. Read over that sentence a few more times and let me know if it starts to make sense...

lol I think Tommy is talking about this post where R!CH basically called him an idiot and it was uncalled for.

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Originally posted by R!CH a lot of confused idiots think the two are directly related. hi tommy!

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Originally posted by diskodave LOL buddy - I think you need to relax and comprehend what's been said. Once again you are jumping to the gun, defending your tiestos, armins, and guettas... when in fact Rich is simply saying that as an EDM artist, success isn't defined by hitting platinum record sales. Read over that sentence a few more times and let me know if it starts to make sense...

Ohh yea??? Why don't you go back and read the whole thread and see what he says... He mentions me and talks shit on every single page... I wanna see him say who he likes instead of bashing what many others like... I don't jump the gun how about I go on another thread and talk smack about you?? R!CH doesn't like commercial music no problem we can all respect that but he rages like a horny bull every single thread that mentions a commercial DJ such as Guetta, Tiesto etc..

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Originally posted by diskodave as an EDM artist, success isn't defined by hitting platinum record sales.

Yes it is. While success in literary terms is defined as any action that achieves its intended purpose , the majority look at success in terms of fame and fortune. However, if the artist in question whether its underground or mainstream is happy with where he is and where he stands in the public eye , then he considers himself successful and the public be damned but speaking in general terms success is defined by fame and fortune.

It was quoted in this thread that the folks in Music Discussion would reject Armin and Tiesto as makers of good music. Music Discussion is a sub forum within Trance Addict and I believe the top 5 djs in this years top 250 poll were all those who are more or less the mainstream artists so how much more proof is needed?

Personally , i am not to happy with Armin and Tiesto's new sound either but hey - fair play to them. They get all the fame and all that comes with it.

PS: Guetta's music is the best drunk music out there. The guy really knows how to work the crowd however cheesy his sound.

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