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Originally posted by RichieV this is essentially what I am curious about. Who exactly cares about your music ? Are you signed to a label ? Do you have distribution ? Are your tracks played by anyone at any event ? Are you judging his music purely as a critic or do you have some sort of substantiation in regards to your own music .

I come on here purely as a critic. I don't use my own musical achievements (a few releases with what I consider worthwhile labels) to back up my claims.

i got a fair few axes that need grinding, and critical musical debate happens to be something I enjoy - even if people don't like what I say. Alanzo's self righteous post sparked my curiosities about his music and I felt like giving him a quick critique. Someone needed to say it.

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Originally posted by Waza Richiev don't waste your time on him. He calls himself dead_moose very original....... The End..

That makes no sense to man nor beast.

P - r

OP - thie reminds me when Elton John sasi the likes of Simon Cowell were ruining music with a parade of converyor belt hits.

Cowells answer to Elton - 'then Elton needs to go right ahead and invest his own money into a new Elton John school of music and label and show me the way'

Dead Moose

I think you should post up some work before throwing stones at others.

I don't know if I can sing / produce, but if anyones gonna be honest, it's you.
If you have a spare minute let me know you're honest opinion


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http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...endid=516462617

lol @ people who think they know everything about music & bash everything else, but are too pussy to even post up a track of their own.

put up or shut up, seriously.

It's funny how the guys that prove themselves helpfull time after time often seem to be producing seemingly well produced music and the ones that swear/bash often are doing quite the opposite. I'm glad the majority of persons visiting this website are kind and mature enough to listen 'objectively', which means being capable of putting general observations over personal preference and appreciating someone's effort, heart and soul put into their music and respecting that.

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Originally posted by DEAD_MOOSE I'm not one to shamelessly self promote/whore myself, nor line myself up to be shot by hundreds of drones who wish to pick holes in music I would rather save for those who care for it.

Well in that case kindly fuck off troll

does anyone still use sidechain as an effect? whadda looser.

OP - To be honest, who knows these things, if side-chain wasn't a popular choice like auto-tune (there's another thread here about that) it would be something else, and I guess we'd be asking the same questions.

Maybe there might be more melodies/better music, but, that might also be down to the way people produce nowadays (not everyone). Everything is more analytical. Years ago it seemed more spontaneous, which in turn produced some great music. Not saying there isn't any now, on the contrary there is a ton of rubbish music out there but also tons of great music.

With the digital era we are now in, there is more music floating about than ever before, due to the fact, when it was all vinyl based to get a track you did out there or even just for yourself you had to get acetates (not cheap) pressed or a minimum of couple hundred vinyls pressed (again not cheap). With that in mind you'd think twice about sending out your music out, hence less crap/good music around.

Not now though, virtually everything is shared, good, bad, legal illegal, new, old etc, with such a high volume on a daily basis cropping up. Its hard to keep up at times.

RichieV - As someone else said, I wouldn't waste your time bro.

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Originally posted by DEAD_MOOSE I noticed your dumb arse post so decided to check your myspace. And from what was on your player I would go as far as to make the effort of rephrasing your comment to something like this:- My reasoning for this rather harsh comment is because it was like listening to what a computer would come up with if you asked it to process a complete dance track using no originality what so ever, but instead to use a prewritten computer code for production of generic musical information.

Is that right? Well, I have four tracks on my Myspace so let's figure out which one you're talking about.

Maybe it's the one played around the world including at Trance Energy in front of 10,000 people by the current #7 DJ?

Or maybe it's the one released on 12" vinyl and played on Radio One's Essential Mix?

Or maybe it's the one that won an international remix competition with over 200 entrants?

Or maybe it's the one played by Paul van Dyk two months ago?

To summarize, FUCK YOU BUDDAY.

Also, I'm completely open to criticism of my music. I myself dish out plenty of constructive criticism, which your comments BARELY were, but I am well aware that my tracks lack musicality. They're barely songs, more tracks as I always call them. It's something I'm working on.

My post may have been stupid but so is this fucking thread. Start a dumb thread, receive stupid responses.

Cant a person have an opinion about something without having to do better himself ?

Sidechain is nothing but an easy way of volume automation, i dont see it having anything to do with composition at all.

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Originally posted by Subtle Cant a person have an opinion about something without having to do better himself ?

Of course they can, food critics are a great example. I myself critique plenty of beer but I'm terrible at making my own. I know what good beer is and I know that mine is not that. HOWEVER, critiquing should be done with an equal amount of effort as was put into the creation and DEAD_MOOSE failed at this.

dead_moose = Deadmau5???

http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/sh...ad.php?t=264243

First check this link, its basically an aussie forum vs. deadmau5...

1. Dead_moose and Deadmau5 have similar writing styles...

2. Deadmau5 has been known to do this type of trickery...

3. It would all tie together???

My apologies to deadmau5/joel if this isnt correct... But im all for a conspiracy theory

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Originally posted by Subtle Sidechain is nothing but an easy way of volume automation, i dont see it having anything to do with composition at all.

Sure it does - it's not much different than tremelo. People have been using that for ages to enhance musical expression because it adds a rhythmic element to the instrument.

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Originally posted by Subtle Cant a person have an opinion about something without having to do better himself ? Sidechain is nothing but an easy way of volume automation, i dont see it having anything to do with composition at all.

Sidechain's an effect, it's never alters the shape of the sound.

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Originally posted by DEAD_MOOSE I would rather save for those who care for it.

I do, just because I appreciate any kind of music (inc jazz, rock) and can value quality of it.

With my perspective on the music I always value quality, appreciate talent and emphasize hard work and dedication.

I don't critique anybody work, I only can suggest or advice if anybody is willing to take that advice, just because each of us have different perspective on the music and value different attributes of it.

Cheers and stay cool.

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Originally posted by LoveHate volume knob of the bass goes up and down when triggered by the kick.

tyvm for that simple explanation.

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Originally posted by Subtle Cant a person have an opinion about something without having to do better himself ?

Maybe in the music producers forum, not in the production forum where we help each other out, as alanzo has done on many many occasions.
Its not for some complete fucking cretin to come in and start slagging off other peoples music unprovoked - do it in some other forum.

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Originally posted by evo8 Maybe in the music producers forum, not in the production forum where we help each other out, as alanzo has done on many many occasions. Its not for some complete fucking cretin to come in and start slagging off other peoples music unprovoked - do it in some other forum.

He was pointing that at moose, not alanzo

I hate the "well why don't you do better then?" argument. It's absolutely retarded.

All this talk about sidechain...my sequencer cant even freakin do sidechain, which is a great mixing tool and a luxury for those who can use it to mix.

I have to employ magic tricks from the brown cheese cloth bag for the aural form of the effect, yet still no ducking for the kick/bassline, since the sequencer I use is archaic and shit...but still useful.

ps: @OP if you dont like it, dont use it, and dont listen to music that uses it, instead of being a little bitch that complains about useful production techniques.


And like someone said, good music and sidechaining are not mutually exclusive.

He claimed to be a "critic" but thats obviously bullshit.

His intention was to make Alanzo look bad plain and simply which he failed at, because he went about it entirely in a desperate/tryhard manner.

Even the least classy of critics have the common sense to point out good parts of a track, or what an artist doesn't need to focus on. In fact, if I hear a track where EVERYTHING I hear I don't like, I will fabricate at least one bs detail for the purpose of not coming off like he did, and at the hope it will be taken as truely objective.

He only succeeding at looking like at a dumb stupid pos. Thats my critique of his posting abilities.

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Originally posted by Fledz He was pointing that at moose, not alanzo I hate the "well why don't you do better then?" argument. It's absolutely retarded.

I agree. My point was that most of us in here are trying to make music and help each other out, not just randomly calling other members music as shit.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 All this talk about sidechain...my sequencer cant even freakin do sidechain, which is a great mixing tool and a luxury for those who can use it to mix. I have to employ magic tricks from the brown cheese cloth bag for the aural form of the effect, yet still no ducking for the kick/bassline, since the sequencer I use is archaic and shit...but still useful. ps: @OP if you dont like it, dont use it, and dont listen to music that uses it, instead of being a little bitch that complains about useful production techniques. And like someone said, good music and sidechaining are not mutually exclusive.

I didnt mean to start this whole flame war. And I dont hate sidechain, I just think that a lot of people use it maybe a bit too much.I was just wondering how their music would sound like without it since 10 years ago there was no sidechain. And since about %50 of the people here think that trance was only good back in the 90's, It's a possibility that sidechain is one of the causes of music going "bad" these days. I love music right now, there is still a ton of cliche shit but there still are lots of gems that are not as well known

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Originally posted by sako487 I didnt mean to start this whole flame war. And I dont hate sidechain, I just think that a lot of people use it maybe a bit too much.I was just wondering how their music would sound like without it since 10 years ago there was no sidechain. And since about %50 of the people here think that trance was only good back in the 90's, It's a possibility that sidechain is one of the causes of music going "bad" these days. I love music right now, there is still a ton of cliche shit but there still are lots of gems that are not as well known

If you compare songs from today to songs in the mid to late 90s, you'll notice that generally the kicks and bass are much louder. This could be a side-effect of more producers using sidechain compression - with everything getting out of the way of the kick, the kick can be turned up.

I don't know if that's a reason you don't hear as many massive leads which overpower everything else any more. With a much louder kick, the lead can't be as big, relative to it.

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