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which technically allows the artist to got to court for damage claims and to break up the contract becausw the label is breaching the terms.

I'm seriously considering doing so with a couple of labels. I hate that type of amateurist crap. Especially when some of them are really big fishes...

man, i feel pretty uneasy dealing with labels, they can cheat you so easily. i would like to start my own label after about 10 releases, so i can manage this and safety it but, i still dont know not really looking into it for a bit.

how come you dont start your own storyteller, youre obviously reputable enough, although i know nothing about how it works, just saying. you probably have little time, correct?

i made 200$ off of my first release on a completely amateur label

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Originally posted by Kismet7 If your putting out good product...and your not making money...then there is a good chance your distributor is jacking you and your label. Sales are happening in all genres of EDM, and there is a big interest in dance music worldwide, bigger than it has ever been. The accessibility of the internet has compounded that. So it depends on your label and music, music that DJs find useful will sell, music that DJs and listeners find useful will sell even more. If you want success, spend some time on your craft and find Labels that have a following, DJs, Listeners, Media, Radio, Reviews, Blogs, Connections etc. #1 Question you should be asking is... Are all sales being accurately reported?

so then you've made a lot of money?

THAT, after all, was the point of the entire thread.

I wonder what big fishes like Armin, PvD or Tiesticle make. Gotta be pretty penny. Vandit, Amada, black hole, etc are big labels alone. Throw in huge events around the world week in/out, remixes, soundtrack work, gaming, commercials and whoring out yourself to eager corporations with big checkbooks - sounds like a not a bad way to make a living.

So Lolo - with all your tallent, why aren't you hopping the globe, hugging hot babes, staying in five star hotels? I cannot believe it's for a lack of tallent or ambition?

word on the street is he likes to hit the pipe. I mean if he at least wore close I think his situation would improve significantly.

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Originally posted by RichieV .

thanks for your meaningful contribution to the discussion

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Originally posted by aNYthing I wonder what big fishes like Armin, PvD or Tiesticle make. Gotta be pretty penny. Vandit, Amada, black hole, etc are big labels alone. Throw in huge events around the world week in/out, remixes, soundtrack work, gaming, commercials and whoring out yourself to eager corporations with big checkbooks - sounds like a not a bad way to make a living. So Lolo - with all your tallent, why aren't you hopping the globe, hugging hot babes, staying in five star hotels? I cannot believe it's for a lack of tallent or ambition?

didn't you just answer your own question though?

most of the big guys, especially the 3 you mentioned essentially just whored themselves out.... it's ALL business!

Armin's a lawyer ffs! nuff said

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Originally posted by aNYthing thanks for your meaningful contribution to the discussion

It is rude to talk about money so I thought humour was the way to go,

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Originally posted by RichieV It is rude to talk about money so I thought humour was the way to go,

not in this case. I would certainly divulge this info if I had it available. It does serve as an eye opener - some people think they make a track and become next Armin. I'm glad to know that I can make a decent coin and don't have to worry about career choice in music. The thing is the model is broken and until we figure out what to do about it - producing music is not an option if you wanna eat.

Quick show of hands - how many think Tiesto would be as popular in few years time as he is today if he started not 12 years ago but now? I think he'd stillbe spinning at his local pub and watching olympics on telly, not spinning his shitty tracks to a world wide audience. Timing. Timing.

it's definitely timing, but it's also simply impossible to evaluate a social and business structure in the moment: the music industry is stuck in the past, and n00bs are looking towards to future...

anyways, the point is, if you're making music to make money you're oblivious to how the music industry is travelling at the moment. if you're hoping to make cash from EDM you're almost criminally idiotic.

especially if you plan to do it from just single sales.
anybody who knows anything about the music industry, and edm in particular (and who isn't completely dillusional) will tell you that it's extremely difficult to make money from record sales these days.

to re-state: if you're making edm tunes to make money, either try to become a pop star, or get a real job.

if you're making it for pleasure you most likely wouldn't care either way

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Originally posted by msz man, i feel pretty uneasy dealing with labels, they can cheat you so easily. i would like to start my own label after about 10 releases, so i can manage this and safety it but, i still dont know not really looking into it for a bit.

exact the reason why i started my own label. this 20 pages contracts frighten the shit out of me. and i know for sure i wont earn any money anyway so why the hell give away my rights too? starting my own label was a good thing for my creativity and frustration of the labels around. its not much work either (as long as u stay away from beatort, that website is terrible for uploading new material). I started my own label after one lousy deal with armada, thats all i can take, and i still push them about getting my tracks rights back, closing the deal because they have fooled me out of money for "promotion costs". fuck i want those tracks back.

After reading some many posts on this thread , the idea that making music (espically in this field we are talking about) doesn't feed you stucked in my mind.

But hey , it does bring some extra cash I guess!

should art really feed anyone? paintings for millions? its not work. defition of work is shit, and is what should make you rich. hard hating exhausting work.

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Originally posted by palm should art really feed anyone? paintings for millions? its not work. defition of work is shit, and is what should make you rich. hard hating exhausting work.

What?

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Originally posted by Acton What?

I think he's saying that since art isn't really work, you shouldn't make a lot of money on it and that you should only make money for doing hard work. That or something about eating art and then shitting on millions of people for money so that you can be rich. I'm really not sure.

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Originally posted by floyd741 I think he's saying that since art isn't really work, you shouldn't make a lot of money on it and that you should only make money for doing hard work.

I'm sure most producers work really hard on their productions, I know I do.


Well done on the translation, you succeeded, where I had failed.

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Originally posted by palm exact the reason why i started my own label. this 20 pages contracts frighten the shit out of me. and i know for sure i wont earn any money anyway so why the hell give away my rights too? starting my own label was a good thing for my creativity and frustration of the labels around. its not much work either (as long as u stay away from beatort, that website is terrible for uploading new material). I started my own label after one lousy deal with armada, thats all i can take, and i still push them about getting my tracks rights back, closing the deal because they have fooled me out of money for "promotion costs". fuck i want those tracks back.

i feel you, im just signing a few contracts now, if they go bad i wont sign anymore haha. only time will tell. good thing mine are not 20 pages @_@

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Originally posted by Zak McKracken should art really feed anyone? paintings for millions? its not work. defition of work is shit, and is what should make you rich. hard hating exhausting work.

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Originally posted by Acton What?

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Originally posted by floyd741 I think he's saying that since art isn't really work, you shouldn't make a lot of money on it and that you should only make money for doing hard work. That or something about eating art and then shitting on millions of people for money so that you can be rich. I'm really not sure.

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Originally posted by Acton I'm sure most producers work really hard on their productions, I know I do. Well done on the translation, you succeeded, where I had failed.

lol, ill refrase better next time (if i know what i talk about).

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Originally posted by palm should art really feed anyone? paintings for millions? its not work. defition of work is shit, and is what should make you rich. hard hating exhausting work.

I disagree. Hard work isn't limited to the physical - it can be creative or intellectual as well. A good artist has usually spends many years perfecting his/her art and often many months or years creating their masterpieces. The best get rewarded accordingly. Of course, often it's the cheesiest who get the biggest rewards when it comes to music, but that's a whole other discussion.

ive heard on interviews before that most producers who are well off make there money of dj gigs???

ive heard about what armin and the big guns earn per hour at a set its SO much!!

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Originally posted by Sonic_c I made a track recently that went big

LMFAO.

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