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Originally posted by Eric J I think Acton was suggesting that only because its generally a good idea to get an objective opinion of your work from someone else. (As an aside, this is one of the things that a good mastering engineer should do well). When we put so much work into our music it becomes difficult for us to properly judge our own work. If you post it up and the responses are generally positive, then you know that your on view of the track is on par with how other perceive it. I know that music I made a few years ago I thought was really good, but when I go back and listen now, I can tell it was not up to par. It's always good to get a second opinion as many times they hear things you do not notice. If you can take constructive criticism, it tends to make you a better producer.

i do totally agree with the second opinion part but i don't really wanna post my work in that forum purely cuz im pazza that someone will steal it - not saying that its an amazing track and everyone will want too. . not saying that at all.. its just so easy for someone to do if they wanted too..

i generally send my songs to mates who have been djing trance for years n years n years and then i send it to some other ppl i know who produce as well to get the "production" aspect feedback..
i know that there mates but they give me good honest feedback. . especially if they don't like something they will tell me straight away haha

that's generally how i get my second opinion. .
its just you never know these days i could do NOTHING if someone decided to still a song or at least parts of it. change it a little and call it there own.. haha

taking criticism is hard tho especially when your attached to a song youve made. but youre right your better off if you can take it!

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Originally posted by johncannons1 i do totally agree with the second opinion part but i don't really wanna post my work in that forum purely cuz im pazza that someone will steal it - not saying that its an amazing track and everyone will want too. . not saying that at all.. its just so easy for someone to do if they wanted too..

During all my years here I cannot remember that happening, ever. You're being a bit too paranoid for your own good.

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Originally posted by johncannons1 i do totally agree with the second opinion part but i don't really wanna post my work in that forum purely cuz im pazza that someone will steal it - not saying that its an amazing track and everyone will want too. . not saying that at all.. its just so easy for someone to do if they wanted too..

Easy to get around that. Just ake a "preview" version by fading the intro and outro and leave just the meat of the track. Any producer who's advice is worth anything should be able to make a judgment without the intro and outro and then no one can steal a mmixable copy of the track.

I do this on all my sites where I post unreleased material.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery During all my years here I cannot remember that happening, ever. You're being a bit too paranoid for your own good.

It is fairly common though. Timbaland is one of those stealers (that one track with Nelly Furtado and the commodore 64 sounds) and so was the theme of the Danish Big Brother TV Series (about 9 years ago though). It's not so much stealing (no royalties paid-ever) from previews but it includes taking entire hooks of songs that didn't make it big time first round...

I'm not so worried about people stealing my stuff now. Sure, they might steal one track, but they can't reproduce it, adn they can't steal all the techniques and hours of practise that have allowed me to make the track, so I can always just make another one, and they'll be stuck with a single track.

I'm more concerned with DJ's or other potential consumers stealing a track for use in a set or something like that. It seems particularly easy with sites like SoundCloud that have fairly decent quality playback. The EDM market is so crowded these days, I need all the sales I can get. I don't need some bastard who is too cheap to pay $1.49 to buy my music legally on Beatport.

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Originally posted by RichieV how did you test it ?

if you create a free account, on megaupload, you can see how many time your files are been downloaded


PS: sorry for the crappy english LOL

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Originally posted by 4everX PS: sorry for the crappy english LOL

It's better than some of the British posters in the other forums .

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Originally posted by Acton It's better than some of the British posters in the other forums .

oh ! that's seems positive for my english test LOL

Now here's a question: how come Big labels, which consider themselves to be professional, do not sent you any confirmation of receipt when they have received your demo?

It's 1. common courtesy and 2. a clear indicator of professionalism. Any company not replying to it's stakeholders, for whatever reason is not a professional company. Makes you wonder why you want to be in business with them in the first place...

BB

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Originally posted by Eric J I'm more concerned with DJ's or other potential consumers stealing a track for use in a set or something like that. It seems particularly easy with sites like SoundCloud that have fairly decent quality playback. The EDM market is so crowded these days, I need all the sales I can get. I don't need some bastard who is too cheap to pay $1.49 to buy my music legally on Beatport.

Just upload a poor quality copy. 196 is poor enough. If they're cheap enough to rip it from soundcloud (assuming that you don't allow downloads) then they're cheap enough to get on a blog and download it from there. People who are pirates are going to pirate shit. Deal with it and move on. You shouldn't allow it to influence the way you distribute your creativity IMO.

According to a German producer and label owner in a future music mag interview this month, he no longer see's any point in signing other artists as he says there are millions of bedroom producers all trying to get a slice of the action and so the money to be made is minimal.

He now only uses his label to promote his own music.

He said labels get thousands of tracks per week, sometimes per day and there are just too many people trying to feed from the music pond now.

I cant recall his name sorry.

Now I don't know if he's right, he might just be a neg-head.

I think what will happen now is those that want to stay at the top will more than ever seek new ways to differentiate thier output, for example going to great legnths on thier production values.

My brother thinks trance sounds like music for a car or washing powder advert. He thinks the big plucky leads and orchestral breaks are cheesey and in general the rythms are not so danceable as other types of dance music.

Must admit, for the first time I'm finding most trance a bit naff and boring - I can't beleive I just said that. Maybe it's just a temporary phase for me and I will like it again next month!

Even people like boom jinx sound to me a bit like washing powder adverts.

People say they want something different but over on another forum the problem is the good feedback goes to those that stick with whats gone before. Same old plucks or proggy sidechained chords, same old big epic breaks, same old haunting female vocals, tired old sounds from access and sylenth.

Sorry I'm in a sh1tty mood today, not my normal self

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Originally posted by Beautiful Beast Now here's a question: how come Big labels, which consider themselves to be professional, do not sent you any confirmation of receipt when they have received your demo? It's 1. common courtesy and 2. a clear indicator of professionalism. Any company not replying to it's stakeholders, for whatever reason is not a professional company. Makes you wonder why you want to be in business with them in the first place... BB

i'm agree with you ,that's right.
Some big labels don't answer also when you write on their info e-mail for asking about something ! it makes me very angry sometimes !!

simply don't write your info e-mail if you are not able to read it, so i don't waste my time !! Goddam!!!

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Originally posted by Beautiful Beast Now here's a question: how come Big labels, which consider themselves to be professional, do not sent you any confirmation of receipt when they have received your demo? It's 1. common courtesy and 2. a clear indicator of professionalism. Any company not replying to it's stakeholders, for whatever reason is not a professional company. Makes you wonder why you want to be in business with them in the first place... BB

To add to that, how come the big labels to not send you your statements as the contracts they agree on with the artists state they should? You'll have to ask them first and then ask some more .

So far I've only been dealing with one label that is taking care of this part properly. I have contracts with 11 different labels and only 1 is able to take care of the financial part properly (most others pay too, but not according to the terms of the contract). I'm not saying the people on the other labels don't work hard, but they sure have a hell of a lot to catch up with.

A great definition of big labels this days would be this: Unresponsive, hard to get in contact with unless they want something from your end. Lacking sense of responsibility to take care of the financial side of things on time. Wrong priorities and still not knowing how to handle the digital trend of today.

Yes the music industry is ****.

Too bad I need those tracks released online on webshops in order to get some sort of status and possible gigs. Releasing for free is not yet an option. Otherwise I would definitely consider doing so. Or perhaps... I'm going to think about this one. Maybe there's a couple of interesting things that could be set up.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Just upload a poor quality copy. 196 is poor enough. If they're cheap enough to rip it from soundcloud (assuming that you don't allow downloads) then they're cheap enough to get on a blog and download it from there. People who are pirates are going to pirate shit. Deal with it and move on. You shouldn't allow it to influence the way you distribute your creativity IMO.

Umm, not sure what you mean here by "influence the way you distribute your creativity". I mean, these preview tracks are designed to be just that: previews of tracks that are being released in a few weeks or months (depending on which label). 192 kbps seems to plenty high enough for some DJ's as I see loads of tracks at this bit-rate being played in sets.

Also, I won't just "Deal with it and move on.", that's just ridiculous. I'm not sure how many tracks you have had released, but it is pretty disheartening to release a track on Beatport or wherever and have it show up on 10 pirate sites the next day. It's not like music is even that expensive any more. I used to spend hundreds of dollars a month on vinyl. $6-$10 per record. Now you can buy 6-8 tracks for what ONE piece of vinyl used to cost. I don't think it is asking too much to pony up $1.49 for a single track if you are in this industry as an artist. I still spend $50-$100 a month on music from Beatport, and I don't even really play out that much.

ive actually wrote to some big name djs themselves in regards to my tracks and theyve all written back, i think if they see potentional in the track alot of times theyll write you back like what was done with me and even give you pointers

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