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Re: Consistent Drink Prices

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Originally posted by Orko Dear Mr. Club Owner, Try and control your bar staff, and standardize the prices. I have been out quite a few times, and depending on which bartender serves you, you pay a different price for the same drink.

This is very hard to correct for a club owner, its thievery and managers really have to catch their employee doing it which is already too late.

But there's a mechanized way to prevent this, costs alot to implement though.

A club over here has this genious system where the bar staff do not touch a single bottle of liquor (except beer and water bottles which are counted and have to match what is typed on the register).

So when she needs to serve a drink, say a gin, she press a button on a panel, the price is shown to the patron and the liquor is pumped from a centralized location in the club off limit to the barmaids/men.

She really can't hide the price, and she can't type something more expensive because she won't get the right drink off the machine.

Re: Re: Re: Hearing Protection

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker A club owner has a duty-of-care to ensure the environment is safe for anybody who steps on to the property. Limiting volume & exposure falls within the scope of duty/standard-of-care. Not conspicuously providing hearing protection in any loud environment opens up an entirely different discussion around negligence and liability.

lol, are you trying to help 'em run a better business or shut 'em down???

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Originally posted by chinamon so every concert should have ear plugs for everyone as well?

Why not? Providing them for free would be a reasonable thing to do.

Hell, I hand out free plugs to anyone who comes over for a pregame, and happily so! What better gift than the gift of hearing???!?!? I think they cost about $0.20/pr and I believe them to be mandatory.

As a professional metalworker, I am exposed to VERY loud environments regularly. At my previous job I wore them 9-15hrs/day, EVERY SINGLE DAY.

These clubs get between $20 and $200 per head and they can't afford $0.20 ear plugs for the 10% of patrons that want them? Say what now? WHAT?

Talk about penny smart, pound fucking stupid.

/rant Sorry, I'm really picky about my hearing. I can't imagine the eternal sadness of going deaf.

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Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers Why not? Providing them for free would be a reasonable thing to do. Hell, I hand out free plugs to anyone who comes over for a pregame, and happily so! What better gift than the gift of hearing???!?!? I think they cost about $0.20/pr and I believe them to be mandatory. As a professional metalworker, I am exposed to VERY loud environments regularly. At my previous job I wore them 9-15hrs/day, EVERY SINGLE DAY. These clubs get between $20 and $200 per head and they can't afford $0.20 ear plugs for the 10% of patrons that want them? Say what now? WHAT? Talk about penny smart, pound fucking stupid. /rant Sorry, I'm really picky about my hearing. I can't imagine the eternal sadness of going deaf.

there is a big difference between a job and place of entertainment where people choose to be knowing what the environment will be like. If anything the earplugs should be (and are) available for staff. As for patrons, they should be on sale at the most. Why cant people learn to be responsible for themselves?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Why cant people learn to be responsible for themselves?

It's joke, yes?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 there is a big difference between a job and place of entertainment where people choose to be knowing what the environment will be like. If anything the earplugs should be (and are) available for staff. As for patrons, they should be on sale at the most. Why cant people learn to be responsible for themselves?

+1

This earplug thing: At the place I work at even employees don't get earplugs. Wouldn't it be easier to just turn the music down a bit so people wouldn't require earplugs in the first place?

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Originally posted by Anton This earplug thing: At the place I work at even employees don't get earplugs. Wouldn't it be easier to just turn the music down a bit so people wouldn't require earplugs in the first place?

better yet... stay home where u can control the volume

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Originally posted by Jayx1 better yet... stay home where u can control the volume

That's crazy talk..

Please set up a "stand", area or even sell shooters and freezies at the bar so the already rammed dancefloor does not become cluttered with club employees holding trays and buckets, the barbacks collecting bottles with rubbermaid containers create enough havoc as is.

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Originally posted by Man_Devil 1. dont make me wait in line for like 45 mins when the club isnt full. I love footwork but the last few times I've gone there I've waited in line for the loooooongest time, only to get in there and see its only 60% full so far. I hate how you are like 20th in line but they let in like 3 people every 5 mins even though it isnt even close to full inside yet. Pet peve of mine... Maybe the place has just been getting more and more popular lately. It gets packed every time i am there now.

(I'm not a bar owner, but I can interject quickly on this point)

holding the line is something we are adamantly against at Footwork... the earlier, the better! we also push a 12am guestlist cutoff time as incentive for our patrons to come early + get cozy in da club and get their groove on...

we've had a couple crazy weekends lately (a few nights come to mind that seemingly came out of nowhere!) and sometimes a rush of people trying to make said guestlist cutoff can create a line + bottleneck in getting people inside... it's something we're always tweaking and trying to improve on...

I also always tell people to aim for 11-11:30pm to avoid that rush... Our upcoming double-header (Fanciulli + Calderone, *shameless plug) will be hectic right from the beginning, so come even earlier

Dear Mr Club Owner,

Please stop inviting middle aged asian perverts to your club. I know that from a business standpoint it is "the more the merrier", but from an enjoyable company standpoint they can make things a little bit awkward.

Toronto clubs should start having memberships. And with memberships come benefits.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Thoughts of my tort law class are swimming around my head!

Thoughts of every day at work are swimming around in my head and I want them out.

Although I can see where there is some negligence by the club by not providing hearing protection.....the contributory negligence would be huge on the part of the patron.

don't hire bouncers that have been fired from every other club to save money. this will cost you money in the end from law suits and lost business.

to take care of your bouning staff hire a dalton to teach them the ways. i want to feel safe not scared.





lol, at this thread tho. the people that get paid by clubs bitching about the fact that us the consumers are giving suggestions to them. the more people are happy at your club the better for you! we always bring earplugs but sometimes don't olan to go out the very last minute and therefore don't have a chance to go home and grab some. Footwork staff gave me ear plugs for free on a few occasions. not that big a deal.

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Originally posted by breathesteve Toronto clubs should start having memberships. And with memberships come benefits.

that would be cool.

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Originally posted by breathesteve Toronto clubs should start having memberships. And with memberships come benefits.

i assume people would expect this membership to be free right?


Id charge $20-$25 yearly for a perpetual door discount and line bypass.

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Originally posted by breathesteve Toronto clubs should start having memberships. And with memberships come benefits.

No need for memberships, just strict door policy.

- Lizard Lounge door policy circa 1988:

"No sneakers, no blue jeans, no blue eye shadow."

- Berghain door policy circa right about now:

"No cameras, no cellphones."

I know I'm going near-completely against the grain, but I love the idea of the latter.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess that would be cool.

Didn't TiL have free membership when it first opened? They gave everyone a black card or something like that b/c it was a "members only" club so they could get around the smoking by-laws.

Re: Re: Hearing Protection

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Originally posted by Pure Trance Prd If your worried about your ears its your responsibility to protect them not a club owner.

Ear plugs are dirt-cheap and would be a cheap/easy 'good will' measure to have them available at the club.

There have been times I've left a club because I found things too loud and it was hurting my ears - if they had sucked up 20c and given me a free pair, I would stay longer, spend more money on drinks/etc and they would have made more money off of me.

(I usually head out with ear plugs, but now and then I do forget them at home)

Hell, I'd even pay $1-$2 for a pair of earplugs if I had forgotten mine at home.

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Originally posted by kaniz Hell, I'd even pay $1-$2 for a pair of earplugs if I had forgotten mine at home.

Now u are talking... clubs arent charities!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i assume people would expect this membership to be free right? Id charge $20-$25 yearly for a perpetual door discount and line bypass.

It should be a paying membership like $20 or $30 for a year. That should give the member real line bypass, special promotional offers to members only (like discounts on some nights, reduced cover for friends, a couple free parties during the year (like in January or off season), and depending on the club and how many rooms there are there could be a members room. I'm sure there are lots of other little things a club could do with this. Alot of the great clubs in history have had memberships.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess don't hire bouncers that have been fired from every other club to save money.

or don't hire Dicks to assume positions of any level @ your club at anytime period...

Re: Re: Re: Hearing Protection

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker A club owner has a duty-of-care to ensure the environment is safe for anybody who steps on to the property. Limiting volume & exposure falls within the scope of duty/standard-of-care.

This.

Like Lisa, I usually carry a pair of Elacin plugs with me but there has to be a level of responsibility (even if only in part) on the club's behalf to monitor / limit dB levels to keep them from getting too unruly.

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Originally posted by Jer This. Like Lisa, I usually carry a pair of Elacin plugs with me but there has to be a level of responsibility (even if only in part) on the club's behalf to monitor / limit dB levels to keep them from getting too unruly.

right..

how about this? a warning sign on the door to suggest that those with sensitivities to high stimulus environments should not enter? Then you are well informed and can make your own choice on what action to take. Whether its earplugs, or simply not entering.

Does society have to hold your hand for every single decision made?

Unreal....

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