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They just fear what they don't understand.

Rock n Roll was considered the Devil's music back in the late 50's.

Fear of the unknown, and the possibility that some people are having too much fun, is simply too much for some people.

It looks like the page its not updated since it doesnt have my state senator..

LoL, Skribble SUCKS Donkey Cock!!!
He only plays crappy music...

Thats It! I'm moving, Sometimes I don't know what that damn government is thinking. We had to fight it for the net radio, we have to fight it for free speech, we have to fight for the friggin pleadge of alliegence, and now this. The dang government is screwing everything up. Guess I can't really move tho, gotta get thru colege first, that is if the stock market doesent crash and we can't afford education anymore. ARG!!!

bleh this bill sucks...
oh well what do you expect from a country run by a chimp???

Nothing new. I can't remember a time when the US legislature wasn't narrow-minded, reactionary and impulsive.

man those petitions dont do shit..thousands of us signed a petition against the audiogalaxy thing and look what happened...nothing...the riaa still shut it down...do you guys really think the government wont pass the bill if all of us signed it? yeah right think logical

Frankly it�s sad what is happening to U.S. Ravers they arealready behind everyone else in the world as far as electronic music is concerned and now there government wants to kill the movement all together.
Maybe it because it�s something different from wht they want there culture to be like... maybe it�s because of psychedelics uncanny property ofmaking people think different...

Raves here in Mexico are not illegal and some are even sponsored by the government here in Mexico City. Prog Trance and Melodic and Uplifting are very commercial...
Underground Raves are usually in the middle of nowwhere and ten to be more ...well Psychadelic

As lond as the U.S. doesn�t try tuo fuck up our scenes in the rest of the world I think you Americans can deal with having mor clandestine parties as well.

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Originally posted by dj kinetica man those petitions dont do shit..thousands of us signed a petition against the audiogalaxy thing and look what happened...nothing...the riaa still shut it down...do you guys really think the government wont pass the bill if all of us signed it? yeah right think logical

I've never heard truer words in my life. The goverment could give two shits and a fuck what the American people think. They're only conscerned with one thing: Themselves. For the people, of the people, and by the people my ass.

Exactly, petitions are pointless, all these people sign shit against censorship and it doesnt do a damn thing either

Politicians just want to look like they care and are helping control a situation - so they get voted in again.
Because if they put any thought into making holders of events like raves responible for 'crimes' of patrons - it will push the scene further underground, even further out of the control of authorities, and make life more unsafe in the event of a tragedy.

what kind of a free contry won't even let a brotha dance ...( good thing i live in canada)

Crossing Boards

Back before I was a member of this board, I posted about the "RAVE" Act on another board that I am a member of. I'm "ScoobyGrrl". Here's the thread:

http://forums.i-club.com/forums/sho...threadid=216918

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Hmm... will they be coming up with a ROCK or RAP Act next? Shutting down Dave Matthews and Cypress Hill concerts because they believe they are held for the purpose of smoking weed? I have no problem with the effort to try and crack down on the problem of drug abuse (I know this may not be a popular view), but my opposition isn't about whether or not a drug should be legalized, who uses it or whether a drug is right or wrong, etc. It isn't even about the drug specifically. It's about a piece of legislation that is descriminating against a type of musical genre or "venue", so to speak. They need to amend the highly ignorant language in the legislation so that innocent promoters are not held responsible for some kid who tries to sneak E into a rave by means of saran-wrap and his/her butt-crack.

I have a friend who used to promote events in the Mid-West regularly, but has to take a "break" now because the authorities have stomped on more than a few of his parties. Since the investment surpassed the return, he has to catch up before he can go back to promoting -_- Stupid stupid stupid legislation... ok, I think I'm done now.
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people don't forget about the parental advisory sticker

that was done under the pressure of politicians, who have powers of shutting all of us down,

don't even start saying "no they can't touch me " cause you now good and well that if they want to they can bring this scene to it's knees ... and only the true rare ones , will survive

Check this out

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Originally posted by ali92 It's so stupid because the Gov't should be caring about the REAL threats, like terrorism, etc. Because one day, they'll be back, and our gov't BETTER be ready! In fact, if u ask me, I think that the terrorists, instead of blowing up places like WTC, etc., they should blow up RIAA, MPAA, and whoever else is involved with that new law (SSSCA). Who agrees? Why should a crime lesser than assult/murder/rape/etc. be treated like something WORSER? I'm referring to drug (like "E") use, watching a few Pay-Per-Views for free, illegal distribution/selling of music/movies, etc. Our laws are messed up. You get 5 years in prison for commiting murder (killing someone) but, 20+ years if you steal an automobile or get caught with drugs. Isn't that dumb? When u stole, you didn't take anyone's LIFE, you just took a NON-LIVING OBJECT. About the drugs: It's not like you was doing something that would harm others, or even you, in some cases! I like to know what are the laws for things like this in OTHER countries. I know it can't be THIS bad! Keep me posted! Thanks!

Some of what you said was what I was thinking when I read the article below (especially when you said they need to be spending more time going after real threats...they are real idiots)

Ashcroft Asked to Target Online Song Swappers
Fri Aug 9, 8:27 PM ET
By Andy Sullivan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. lawmakers have asked Attorney General John Ashcroft ( news - web sites) to go after Internet users who download unauthorized songs and other copyrighted material, raising the possibility of jail time for digital-music fans.



In a July 25 letter released late Thursday, some 19 lawmakers from both sides of the aisle asked Ashcroft to prosecute "peer-to-peer" networks like Kazaa and Morpheus and the users who swap digital songs, video clips and other files without permission from artists or their record labels.

The Justice Department ( news - web sites) should also devote more resources to policing online copyrights, the lawmakers said in their letter.

"Such an effort is increasingly important as online theft of our nation's creative works is a growing threat to our culture and economy," the letter said.

A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment.

The recording industry says peer-to-peer services cut into CD sales, and has been battling them in court since 1999, when the five major labels sued pioneer service Napster ( news - web sites) Inc.

A U.S. federal judge ordered Napster to shut down its service in July 2001, but upstarts like Kazaa and Morpheus soon took its place. Kazaa, which in addition to music allows users to swap movies and other media files, said this week that its free software had been downloaded 100 million times.

Music labels have not ruled out suing individual users, and have pushed for the right to flood peer-to-peer networks with bogus files, or disrupt them by other means.

While a debate has raged on Capitol Hill over the proper balance between copyright and technological innovation, U.S. law-enforcement authorities have taken a minimal role.

The Justice Department filed a supporting motion siding with the record labels in the Napster case, but has brought no cases of its own.

The move was welcomed by the Recording Industry Association of America ( news - web sites), which represents the five major labels --Bertelsmann AG ( news - web sites), Vivendi Universal, Sony Corp ( news - web sites) ., AOL Time Warner Inc . and EMI Group Plc ( news - web sites) .

"There is no doubt, mass copying off the Internet is illegal and deserves to be a high priority for the Department of Justice ( news - web sites)," said RIAA Chairman Hilary Rosen in a statement.

An analyst for a digital civil-liberties group said the Justice Department probably had better things to do with its time.

The letter "implies that Justice should be going after relatively innocent behaviors that I suspect most Americans don't think warrant the time," said Alan Davidson, an associate director at the Center for Democracy and Technology.

On the other hand, "we would much rather see current authorities be used before Congress goes and creates brand new laws," Davidson said.

A staffer for Texas Republican Rep. Lamar Smith, who signed the letter, said that lawmakers did not want FBI ( news - web sites) agents to arrest casual users but instead go after operators of network "nodes" that handle much of the traffic.

Among those signing the letter were: Delaware Democratic Sen. Joseph Biden; Wisconsin Republican Rep. James Sensenbrenner; Virginia Democratic Rep. Bobby Scott; Michigan Democratic Rep. John Conyers; North Carolina Republican Rep. Howard Coble; and California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein. REMEMBER these names when election time rolls around.

Lets hear it for good old American Puritanical logic!!!

Are you people trying to tell me that politicians think that stopping raves will present people from using ecstscy?! HA! if anything it will increase ecstacy us because there will be one less cool thing to do in America. And to think we are the ones putting these people in office!

well, after reading all of this junk, PvD's speech on the inside of "The Politics of Dancing" means more to me than ever before. I'm sickened by my country's intolerance towards many of its own people. We're losing the freedoms that so many of us died protecting.

Trying to resolve an issue just by making it illegal is utterly ludicrous. Does the brief period in American history titled 'Prohibition' ring a bell? Just because the law says you can't do something is not going to stop people. All that will do, as others have said, is push things further underground and make them less controlled and more dangerous. Legalization/regulation is the only way that I can think of that will satisfy the governments needs without comprimising the rights of our people. With the exception of one radical Governor in Arizona, no politician in America has the balls to acknowledge this. To them its all about getting re-elected, a popularity contest. Trying to actually confront an issue would take too much effort. The only life, liberty, and persuit of happiness on their minds are their own.

lets lynch the politicians!!!! lynch em all!!!!! whos with me?

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