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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle I think that both will be around in the future. Why do you need gigs and gigs of storage on a dvd when you're just gonna put one song on a cd right? So either route will offer no disadvatages.

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...and as for techno being digital now, remember that a lot of the bigwigs use old synth like moogs and roland 505s and 808s, all of which are analogue. But yes, the vast majority of productions thesed days are done on computers. Or at least the final mixing/editing is done digitally in one form or another.

i chose to start w/ vinyl because none of my dj friends had cd's and all the clubs around here use TT's anyway, however i did recently (back in march) pick up a dual cd deck and i like it, not as much as vinyl because to me, you have more control w/ vinyl but thats probably because its what im used to.. i do feel that if you only plan to be a bedroom dj then go w/ the cd's because of the points expressed early in this thread about cd's being cheaper (just burn them) and they are obviously more space efficient (i live in a small apartment and my tt & cd setup takes up basically a whole wall in my living room. however, if you do ever plan to become a dj that spins at clubs and whatnot, i'd suggest u learn TT's as well.. I should start buying more CD's though because i haven't bought any singles yet.., of course i burned a few but i refuse to play them live out of respect for the artist plus that is cheese.. part of being a good dj (again this is my opinion) is being able to have the good new tracks as well as hard to find tracks, for example, i have most of the songs off the Ayumi Hamasaki - M. EP burned on cd but i won't play it @ a party because that belittles the next dj who actually either got it when it was available or who just paid a shitload of money for it.. some people will disagree w/ my philosophy.. but who gives a fuck.

Turntables vs. CD's is a never-ending debate.

I prefer vinyls, because 99% of Trance releases are available on vinyl only, and although you can burn CD's with MP3's, you'll be compromising sound quality if you do so.

Great posts, Scottaculous.

But talking about analog vs. digital: is human ear really capable of noticing the difference between the 44kHz sound and, say, 96kHz?

well my advice is this :
if you want to be a professional dj, start vinyls
if you want it as a hobby only, go for cds

vinyls costs a lot but are obviously better...
anyway, now that RIAA is after all mp3s etc, I think original releases on vinyl are the best option.
whatever you decide, enjoy

The question of vinyl to cds today is based only around price. TTs are a lot cheaper than the CDJ1000 if you are talking about the same control you get on both (But vinyl feel is better). But, quality discussion off, as a non pro dj I just can't afford vinyl! That's the only point. How can anybody expect me to pay 35 R$ (Brazilian money) for each vinyl with only 2-3 tracks tops!!! It is ludicrous!!!! You have to be really rich and also have a way to import everything because they are made here too! That's the point for choosing cds at first for every starting dj, not just in Brazil.
If I was someone big in the market and was getting well paid of course I would change to vinyl.

The other problem with vinyl I think is: IMG has anyone here ever tried to lift alone a case packed up with 50 vinyl on each hand?!?!??!?! Vinyl stores should sell slaves as well to carry their products off!
Something else, you can only get what has just being released otherwise it is sold out and there isn't provable going to be a next release so you just have to play it on cd if you want the track bad enough!
to sum it up, start with cds and if you can manage to build a structure change to vinyl.

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Originally posted by gho Vinyl stores should sell slaves as well to carry their products off!

I'd buy some if they came with palm fronds to wave over your head to cool you off when you're mixing... and pitchers of ice cold beer to hand to you when you need a drink.

Oh yeah, and some cute female ones to give you head in between mixes.

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Originally posted by xtr3m Great posts, Scottaculous. But talking about analog vs. digital: is human ear really capable of noticing the difference between the 44kHz sound and, say, 96kHz?

Thanks for the feedback. To answer your question, that number 44.1 is the number of times a second a track is sampled from the actual soundwave. 44.1 is inadequate to many audiophiles with high quality but to the average listener with average equipment, the difference is unnoticable. Generally. (Some people's ears are sharper than others.)

dj_qub

Hey DJ Qub,

A few days ago, you mentioned that you had seen an MP3 mixer with a CD Mixer-like interface. Just in case you are still interested, that piece of hardware is called the DMC-1, it is manufactured by Numark, and runs a program called PCDJ exlusively. Its pretty cool, I'm a bedroom DJ, it saves alot of money and space, and you'll still feel the challenge of DJing. It isn't like spinning on TTs, but its almost identical to CD mixers.

The DMC-1 connects to your PC via serial. Hopefully, you'll have 2 sound cards (or a soundcard with 2 channels like the SB extigy), so that you can run 2 seperate channels into your external mixer. I just upgraded my mixer...the one in the pic couldn't handle what I was trying to do...finally got a mixer with 3 band eq's/kills, much better.

Here's a pic if you are interested. Sorry, I know I post this pic alot, but many people ask about it

Hey, cool setup. Great example of mp3 DJing.

electronica is not made in 44.1 kHz format! the output of all rythm machines and keyboards is analogue! i have yet to see one where the output is digital... so that means that electronica too is made in 92khz range, so yes, recording it to vinyl would record it at 92khz and not in 44.1... maybe there's a new generation of machines that came out in the last year or so... but lets take the legendary 303 as an example, its output is not digital and is not 44.1 khz!

Thanks!

I guess I only listed the advantages in my last post.

My only complaint is how hard it is to find quality encoded MP3s. I wish there was a pay site that had all of the MP3s that I want. Pipe dream. Also, there is a piece of me that feels guilty for "stealing" this music...those producers are awesome, and deserved to get some money for their work. I have paid for a few singles and ripped them, but, (US DJs can probably back me up on this) it is very difficult to find trance music here in the states.

Does anybody have any recommendations for trance mp3 pay sites? or a place to buy trance cd singles?

Who knows, I may eventually have to suck it up and convert to TTs and order my vinyl online

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Originally posted by u4ea Thanks! I guess I only listed the advantages in my last post. My only complaint is how hard it is to find quality encoded MP3s. I wish there was a pay site that had all of the MP3s that I want. Pipe dream. Also, there is a piece of me that feels guilty for "stealing" this music...those producers are awesome, and deserved to get some money for their work. I have paid for a few singles and ripped them, but, (US DJs can probably back me up on this) it is very difficult to find trance music here in the states. Does anybody have any recommendations for trance mp3 pay sites? or a place to buy trance cd singles? Who knows, I may eventually have to suck it up and convert to TTs and order my vinyl online

Why not just buy the vinyls and rip them yourself?

If you wanna be a pro, just like many others say go for vinyl, that's what dj' is all about, cd's are never gonna be the same, simulation cannot be the same. CD's true, it is easier to have the newest music, but it's not respectfull to the artist like Armin, Tiesto, or PVD. These guys do this for living, if you were producing trying to make some $$$ would you be happy if everyone got your stuff for free, I think the prices are ridiculus, but if everyone paid for their music, we'd be getting it for a lot cheaper.

I use tables, and spin vinyls only, it is expensive I spent each time at a record store minimum of 100+, but it's worth it, but obviously i'm doing it for more then just fun.

Basically, if you love dj' mixin, and wanna dj one day, go for it, don't hold back ! Every decision involves some type of risk, but what the hell it's better then "It could've been ... if ... "

Hope this helps you out in some way

Peace

ESO

cds forever

well for as long as they are aroudn.

im sticking with cds. i have those pioneer 3000mx dual cd players (really expensive and im still paying for it) and im having loads of fun with it.

i like cds much more since i only have cds and they are easier to get plus you get to burn mp3 onto them obviously and your music is so unlimited. i cant' afford to start a vinyl collection this late and its harder to get certain albums and single on vinyl than on cds.

well to sumarize, if you want to dj as a hobby go with cds, for everything else use vinyl...

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Originally posted by Eugene Turntables vs. CD's is a never-ending debate. I prefer vinyls, because 99% of Trance releases are available on vinyl only, and although you can burn CD's with MP3's, you'll be compromising sound quality if you do so.

thats completely wrong. ive been colelcting cds (trance /dance only) for just over 2 years and ive got absolutely loads. in fact record companies bung extra tracks on to cd's anyway. I.E. Perpetuous Dreamer - Dust.wav

Vinyl Release � 5,54 (excl. VAT)
1)Dust.wav
2)Dub.wav

CD Release � 5,27 (excl. VAT)
1)Dust.wav (Rising Star Radio Edit)
2)Dust.wav (Rising Star Mix)
3)Dub.wav
4)Dust.wav (F2F Chill Mix)
5)Dust.wav (Video)

thats an example of a new release. older release comparison..

IIO - Rapture (10 Mix CD) �4.50
Riva Stringer (8 Mix CD) �4.50

value is there adn so are the mixes. the only things that you cant get on vinyl are.. things like. insigma - open ur eyes, pulser cloudwalking.

i think you didnt realise the availbilty of cd's. you have to be in to them to know where to get them from etc. you wont find them at htfr.com, but you will at cdzone.co.uk for example. its al abotu waht your into. theres no much new these days, that i cant get on cd, particularly the big tunes.

lots of the jocks are slowly intergrating to cd's now anyway. there easier to use (pioneer 1000;s)

PVD uses cd's for 40% of his sets on average he said in an interview.

DJ NEILSON, apart from the well-known hits like "Rapture," "Join Me," "Castles in the Sky," maybe some stuff by well-known producers like Armin/Tiesto/PvD and the like, as soon as you dig a little deeper you won't be able to find any of the more obscure titles.

Maybe I'm wrong but not by much.

I think the reason why PvD uses CD's is to try out new unknown tracks, which he burned as MP3's for this very purpose.

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Originally posted by Eugene DJ NEILSON, apart from the well-known hits like "Rapture," "Join Me," "Castles in the Sky," maybe some stuff by well-known producers like Armin/Tiesto/PvD and the like, as soon as you dig a little deeper you won't be able to find any of the more obscure titles. Maybe I'm wrong but not by much. I think the reason why PvD uses CD's is to try out new unknown tracks, which he burned as MP3's for this very purpose.

Excellent Point

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