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Originally posted by The Highroller I try to avoid taking part in the "back in the day" discourse, but it is true that these days the retard contingent is definitely a lot larger and maybe even comprises a majority of the scene today. There are just way too many noobs that think because they downloaded the newest #1 tech-house track on Beatport, and because they follow DJs around like lost puppies, that they are part of a privileged haute-soci�t�, whose mandate it is to take every opportunity to show everyone how "connected" and "in-the-know" they are. There is a marked culture of vanity that exists in the scene today that did not exist before. Although the bottle service trend is not completely to blame, I definitely see a connection to the general one-upping and dick-sizing that plagues the scene today. Another contributing factor is the popularization of techno. Although I love the genre myself, techno fans have always had an elitist chip on their shoulders, and I think that this has been adopted by the masses. Personally, I just avoid these people and spend my time with those who don't participate in this backwards way of thinking, and who like to have a good time, instead of standing around watching to see if everyone notices how cool they are. Now, everyone practice their minimal lip curls!

and house a few years ago as well.

Even the way people dress up and go to parties now....it's like walking into hipster world..

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Originally posted by The Highroller Another contributing factor is the popularization of techno. Although I love the genre myself, techno fans have always had an elitist chip on their shoulders, and I think that this has been adopted by the masses.

It's not just Techno. There are genre-whore/elitists for House/Trance/etc (and those have always been around). That said, one of the things I miss from the 'days of old' is when everyone was at a party and enjoyed the variety of music being played (rather than bitch about how similar the DJ's set is to the liveset they downloaded a few hours before).

As with anything, scarcity makes it that much more enjoyable -- we're just spoiled with abundance and an ever increasing amount of distractions ('hey look at me I'm in a booth and I got a bottle'/'omg look at me pose for my 500th facebook profile photo').

The thing I miss most, as the OP pointed out, is the innocence. Yes everyone was out all night eating lucky charms, but there was an innocence about it that just made it magical.

You're right Swamper, it was the fact that we had to search it out that made it special. As for people bitching, it's a sad time when people start trying to draw attention to themselves with cynicism, and it works, as that leads to sapping the life out of what everyone enjoyed so much not too long ago.

Now let someone post that we're "stuck in the past", and you'll know who it is that carries the mentality that drained that magical time that we were all lucky to be a part of.

Great to see you Rob

The scence is all about bottles, tities and ass now. It was bound to happen sooner or later. Even the biggest candy kid from back in the days, now is one of the biggest international DJ that produces GINOBEATS! lol

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Originally posted by The Highroller I definitely see a connection to the general one-upping and dick-sizing that plagues the scene today.

lol! great post

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Originally posted by WittyHandle The thing I miss most, as the OP pointed out, is the innocence. Yes everyone was out all night eating lucky charms, but there was an innocence about it that just made it magical. You're right Swamper, it was the fact that we had to search it out that made it special. As for people bitching, it's a sad time when people start trying to draw attention to themselves with cynicism, and it works, as that leads to sapping the life out of what everyone enjoyed so much not too long ago. Now let someone post that we're "stuck in the past", and you'll know who it is that carries the mentality that drained that magical time that we were all lucky to be a part of.

Exactly...

Those people weren't there so there's no way for them to know...

Twas the time of my life though..............

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Originally posted by PivotTechno

mmmmmm vinyl...


Love the shirt on the dude in front...

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Originally posted by WittyHandle Yes everyone was out all night eating lucky charms, but there was an innocence about it that just made it magical.

You got older and disillusioned dude, it's still exist and is out there for the new generation.

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Originally posted by VDub Love the shirt on the dude in front...

the shirt *is* the pic...

And yeah, the North American scene these days is largely much like it was in the late 80s - blithely self-indulgent, "LOOKITME, LOOKITME!!!", 19+ only with everything subsequently relegated to clubs, booze 'n blow, watered down fashion, music and mentalities.

Now Europe, on the other hand, took the rave scene and just ran with it:

http://www.youtube.com/user/awakeningsevent

Y'all can thank Sandra Pupatello (and others of her ilk), for the current scene in Ontario:

http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/house-pr...le=en#P58_17150

http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg03831.html

Still makes my blood boil to think about it.

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Originally posted by malek You got older and disillusioned dude, it's still exist and is out there for the new generation.

Really...then please point me in the direction of the 3-4, 500-1000 person, multiple room warehouse parties with diverse lineups and open-minded crowds that are taking place in Toronto every weekend.

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Originally posted by malek You got older and disillusioned dude, it's still exist and is out there for the new generation.

If you think what is out there now is the same as what we had available to us, I genuinely feel bad for you that you didn't see what it had to offer us at the time.

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Originally posted by malek You got older and disillusioned dude, it's still exist and is out there for the new generation.

I think the vibe/sentiment still must be out there, but it's relegated to the minority of people & events opposed to being an all-encompassing part of the culture like it once was.

Although I hear Montreal has done a better job maintaining it's scene, largely due to all the large annual events BEB, B&B, etc.

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Originally posted by jennypie Hey stranger!

Well if it isn't my favourite chronic ass pincher.

How's things?

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck I think the vibe/sentiment still must be out there, but it's relegated to the minority of people & events opposed to being an all-encompassing part of the culture like it once was. Although I hear Montreal has done a better job maintaining it's scene, largely due to all the large annual events BEB, B&B, etc.

and the fact that their politicians arent as ignorant and ridiculous as ours.

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Originally posted by rulzz psytrance scene is pretty fun in TO these days so there is still some underground

+1000 sir

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Originally posted by The Highroller There is a marked culture of vanity that exists in the scene today that did not exist before. Although the bottle service trend is not completely to blame, I definitely see a connection to the general one-upping and dick-sizing that plagues the scene today. Another contributing factor is the popularization of techno. Although I love the genre myself, techno fans have always had an elitist chip on their shoulders, and I think that this has been adopted by the masses.

Good to see you Graham.

I was part of the techno minority back in the day...can't believe that Toronto finally embraced it fully.

Or are you putting one over on me?

As for the bottle service, it's a symptom like you said, but my main point is that instead of Toronto being itself it's like everyone wants to be Miami or Vegas now.

Although maybe the more culture gets shared/global in general, the lesser the local flavour.

Meh.
This topic is as dated as the scene we all used to know and love...
I did walk by 99 suds last night and feel a little nostalgic.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck I was part of the techno minority back in the day...can't believe that Toronto finally embraced it fully. Or are you putting one over on me?

He's not talking about the same kind of Techno you're talking about.

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Originally posted by E2EK1EL Great to see you Rob The scence is all about bottles, tities and ass now. It was bound to happen sooner or later. Even the biggest candy kid from back in the days, now is one of the biggest international DJ that produces GINOBEATS! lol

Great to see you too John.

It was ALWAYS about ass & titties though.

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Originally posted by Skipper Meh. This topic is as dated as the scene we all used to know and love... I did walk by 99 suds last night and feel a little nostalgic.

Hey, I know it is, as I've been away for awhile and likely missed the first 1000 times this topic got batted around.

Still, the sentiment is as valid as it is late. It's more like my personal mourning thread.

Hope you're doing great Sarah.

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Originally posted by E2EK1EL The scence is all about ... tities and ass now.

And the problem with that is...?

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck have you wankers done/allowed to happen to my beloved Toronto scene? Bottle service, bad attempts @ high fashion, more popped collars than Jersey. What happened to balls to the wall fun and all the characters? Bring back 1999-2004 dammit.

Just when you thought the 'rave scene' had gone mainstream, it one upped you and went EVEN more mainstream.

Apparently, if you wear 300$ jeans, an affliction shirt, and have a glow stick in hand you're a raver.

Its ebb and flow... when things like bottle service, jersey shore'eque clubbing, and electro house become intrinsic to pop culture, you know its hit its peak. Just a quick listen to the radio will show you how commercial this shit has become.

I'd bet in the next few years 'the scene' will have whittled itself back to healthier, less pretentious levels, especially when the bell curve moves to the next big fad.

Then you'll be left with proper solid tunes, being spun in shady venues, no bottle service crowd, and people who are more into the tunes than the brands they wear.

That being said, it does require a certain level of pretentiousness to say things were 'better' in the day.

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Originally posted by feelgood I'd bet in the next few years 'the scene' will have whittled itself back to healthier, less pretentious levels, especially when the bell curve moves to the next big fad.

the mainstream trend keeps getting harder and harder....I wonder when HHC will become the next BIG thing

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Originally posted by feelgood That being said, it does require a certain level of pretentiousness to say things were 'better' in the day.

I don't think it has to be seen as pretentious. We just liked it one way, and people who go out more now like it another. I say pepperoni pizza is better, but I don't look down on those who prefer pineapple.

Ok, pineapple is gross on a pie, but you know what I mean

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