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Originally posted by FunkyCrew I think Vola gathers more TOTA's

the universe gives two fucks about tota's.

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Originally posted by Intangible I think scene is getting smaller though

not necessarily...

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy there's less competition in the city these days

insane statement

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Originally posted by chinamon the universe gives two fucks about tota's.

were you trying a point of some sort...?

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew were you trying a point of some sort...?

my point is this thread has nothing to do with which club has more tota attendance AND tota is such a small population in the club world. i think the club scene would still thrive without the tota population.

I think the scene has changed SOOO much, and that's the biggest variable here...

I would argue that it's definitely more fragmented (genre wise) but to say it's "smaller" is a dangerous statement, you have Deadmau5, Tiesto and Guetta rocking stadiums... I also see a thriving techno/tech-house scene in this city, w/ a lot of (international headliner) variety on a weekly basis...

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Originally posted by The Highroller *Note: I am not talking about this year's Decadence specifically

Which is what confuses me the most about this thread lol I think Gera said it best in the event thread, this years Decadence is likely the biggest/most expensive party Guv has ever put on... So how can we sit here and argue about their line-ups being "on the decline"...

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Originally posted by chinamon the universe gives two fucks about tota's.

LOL

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Originally posted by chinamon my point is this thread has nothing to do with which club has more tota attendance AND tota is such a small population in the club world. i think the club scene would still thrive without the tota population.

either way discussion is on TOTA
so we are talking about how WE are attending certain parties less or how WE are missing Ultra Spins

so yeah..

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Originally posted by chinamon my point is this thread has nothing to do with which club has more tota attendance AND tota is such a small population in the club world. i think the club scene would still thrive without the tota population.

The scene would definitely thrive without TOTA, but there would be something else to take it's place if it was not here.

TOTA's significance in the scene is not based on its proportion of the scene's population, it is based on setting/shaping trends. I know for certain that there are many, many people that read TA (outside of active users) who come on this board to see what the big parties are coming up, and it's the active users of TOTA who decide what those parties are by posting in event threads and roll calls.

I'm not saying that this is the case with all big parties, but it does apply to many parties. If that wasn't the case, promoters wouldn't spend so much time promoting their events here.

I think chinamons post was fairly clear.. TAs have ZERO pull on the state of the scene here in Toronto, especially on a large scale. So vola had a bigger roll call? sounds like a bunch of giddy kids posting over and over 10x a day? How does that refect the popularity of a party in # of people attending...

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Originally posted by jon jon I would argue that it's definitely more fragmented (genre wise)

This is very true. However, I think the point I'm trying to make here is that it's a shame the Guv hasn't capitalized on that fragmentation, especially given the way their club is set up with so many rooms. If they had put a niche tech house or techno DJ in The Drink and a electro/mash-up DJ in the Gallery at Decadence, it would have been a great way for people to discover different genres, which would have helped each of those individual scenes thrive. This would benefit everybody.

Instead, The Guv opts for cheese and the lowest common denominator in order to avoid risk at all costs.

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Originally posted by polkaudio TAs have ZERO pull on the state of the scene here in Toronto

If you think that, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

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Originally posted by jon jon Which is what confuses me the most about this thread lol I think Gera said it best in the event thread, this years Decadence is likely the biggest/most expensive party Guv has ever put on... So how can we sit here and argue about their line-ups being "on the decline"...

I'm talking about being on the decline in terms of quality of line-ups, and in terms of number of heads through the door in the last few years of all-access parties. I'm not talking about heads through the door for this specific party.

So TA is not a Casual Encounter site??!?!?

Well I'll be damned!

ok so maybe a 5%pull? who really cares.. the point is its minimal.

If i really have no idea what im talking about, then maybe you can enlighten all of us and put out some facts as to how much of a pull "tota" has..

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Originally posted by The Highroller I'm talking about being on the decline in terms of quality of line-ups, and in terms of number of heads through the door in the last few years of all-access parties. I'm not talking about heads through the door for this specific party.

Yep. It's no longer as consistent. Sure we get 'one off' parties like this year's Decadence but it's nowhere near what it used to be...or at least the djs we would get were a lot better musically.

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Originally posted by polkaudio ok so maybe a 5%pull? who really cares.. the point is its minimal. If i really have no idea what im talking about, then maybe you can enlighten all of us and put out some facts as to how much of a pull "tota" has..

Normally I would give a meaningful reply to this, but considering how much of a dumbass you've shown yourself to be in previous posts, I am not even going to make an attempt.

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Originally posted by chinamon the universe gives two fucks about tota's.

I'll take one of those fucks for myself thank you

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I'll take one of those fucks for myself thank you

greedy bastard.

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Originally posted by The Highroller Normally I would give a meaningful reply to this, but considering how much of a dumbass you've shown yourself to be in previous posts, I am not even going to make an attempt.

being a long time reader and minimal poster, i find this statement to pretty much sum up a lot of people on here...

people get upset when someone disagrees with them and call them this and that.. when someone post a rebuttal to defend them selves they pull the old

"you are an idiot i wont bother responding to you"

i think one should look in the mirror first.....

1 luv

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i think that the new generation are name whores. And the big guys will draw the name whores everytime. The new generation wont go unless its on Z103 or Much. The underground is shrinking.... HOWEVER.... Experience shows that if u have a gigantic commercial base, the underground usually benefits quite well. So fear not, booking guetta and van burrin etc will inevitably have a GOOD effect on our scene. Pretty much every teenager in canada knows of and is a fan of guetta and deadmau5 which is very very positive thing for the future of electronic music in this country.

I tend to agree with most of this. Booking big name commercial DJs tend to make the people who want the more "underground" sound come together which leads to other parties. I think the benefits are already being seen with some of the bookings other clubs are making. If Guv keeps booking big commercial DJs then other promoters and clubs will pick up the other DJs that Guv doesn't seem to want to touch. You are already seeing that at FW, Cobra and other venues.

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Originally posted by chinamon greedy bastard.

Well I'm not sharing with you

lol textbook. You have no meaningful response.. I asked you to prove it and you cant. So dont go telling me I dont know what im talking about when clearly neither do you. Its a pissing match, no one knows the % TAs contribute to the local scene. However I think if you look past your inferiority complex you will come to the quick conclusion that the % is like i stated .. minimal. good day son

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Originally posted by bigdaddyluke being a long time reader and minimal poster, i find this statement to pretty much sum up a lot of people on here... people get upset when someone disagrees with them and call them this and that.. when someone post a rebuttal to defend them selves they pull the old "you are an idiot i wont bother responding to you" i think one should look in the mirror first..... 1 luv

It seems that you haven't taken notice of what polkaudio has been posting in his/her 2 months here.

I have been arguing my point with those who don't agree with me so far in this thread.

Just for you bigdaddyluke, I will respond to this troll.

How am I supposed to give "facts" about how much pull TOTA has? Do clubs and promotion companies make their marketing data publicly available? I don't think so. What I said all based on anecdotal evidence and hearsay which there is little point in getting into in this thread.

If TOTA wasn't an important marketing tool for clubs and promoters, they wouldn't spend so much time promoting here.

i think the main difference is a few years ago we never had big name house/trance djs on the radio, at least not like it is now, so we brought in the biggest names of the time which happened to still be considered "underground" to a certain extent. with the growing popularity of electronic music the biggest names now are more of the commercial type which just doesnt happen to suit the elite tota crowd.

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