TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- Canada - Toronto & Southern Ont.
-- Earth Hour this Sat March 27 at 8:30 p.m.
Pages (3): « 1 [2] 3 »

Turning lights off for an hour is not going to make anyone anymore aware of "climate issues". The people who think they need to save the world are already saving the world and those that don't care are going to continue not caring.

quote:

Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers Lorrie Goldstein is obviously a fucking idiot who has the reading comprehension of a five year old.

obviously hes not, you just dont agree with him.

quote:

AND HE WRITES FOR THE TORONTO SUN

OH NO!!!! WE SHOULD IMPRISON HIM NOW!!!

quote:

A: Earth Hour is an awareness event that hopes to inspire people to think about climate change, and DOES NOT hope to provide a sustainable alternative to using electricity in our every day lives.

thats your opinion. I think its just a huge publicity scheme that people are making a lot of money off of. Just check out how many sponsors are paying for the opportunity to be part of "the message"

quote:

B: Maintaining or increasing current energy consumption WILL NOT solve poverty in the third world. I really don't even understand why he includes such an argument in the article. Really left field.

Really? So explain to me then why the first thing a poor country tries to do after supplying fresh water is bring in electricity? Why do u think that northern ontario businesses that rely heavily on cheap electricity have recently gone out of business? (causing our own people to lose jobs and become poor). To the point that Mcguinty has finally included subsidizing their electricity in the latest budget. Get a clue!!!

quote:

C: Earth Hour is not meant to "romanticize" a world without electricity. Again, not sure where he got this...?

thats the message i get. "look how cool we can be when we dont have electricity!!"

quote:

D: While he is correct in that energy is energy (only transferable, not to be created or destroyed), there are "better" choices. For instance, all the auto companies are investing significantly in new engine plants as the technology currently exists and is deemed worthwhile to invest in to create lower consumption IC engines. This change is driven BY CONSUMERS.

there are trade offs to everything. One is Co2, one is nuclear waste,an effect on an eco system. And yes, cost is an issue too.

quote:

Indeed Ford recently REVAMPED the Essex engine plate for a grand total of three-quarters of a BILLION dollars. Spendy, but now worthwhile.

spendy... so where do u propose we magically grow all our money then?

quote:

Investments in solar, wind and geothermal energy sources have increased SIGNIFICANTLY over the last decade as folks have become more aware of the world's energy requirements versus current infrastructure's capacity and sources.

id say that its more to do with the technology becoming cheaper much like flat screen tv costs have lowered the more the technology becomes widespread. Thats economics.

quote:

Wind and solar energy use will cause skyrocketing prices, poverty and death? Whoa!

it will and IS. Are you not aware of the tax introduced to ontario last week to pay for the sweetheart Samsung "green" deal? Oh plus HST i might add. One more stake in the heart of business that powers our economy.

quote:

We need to look at the big picture with climate change and energy. Do research and be informed. It's important (I plan to live another 60 years) and now's the time to make a difference.

i agree... this is why i think earth hour is a fucking joke.

The big picture is not kyoto, its not earth hour, cap and trade and all these other stupid schemes that do nothing but transfer a lot of money around.

Enviro hippies confuse me:

They fly around the world to tell us not to fly around the world. They tell us to use electric cars and then tell us that electricity is bad. They tell us we should reduce our "emissions" but look the other way when places like China increase theirs. They tell us that we should reduce the human population, yet continue living.

I've reduced my font size to save on electrons. Please congratulate me on my heroism.

quote:

Originally posted by Jayx1 obviously hes not, you just dont agree with him.

No, he doesn't seem to want to find out what Earth Hour is promoting. He's just making silly conclusions on little/no facts and a lot of emotion.

quote:

OH NO!!!! WE SHOULD IMPRISON HIM NOW!!!

The SUN is not known for its journalistic integrity. Could you not find a similar article from a more reputable source (I'd even take the Star).

Really man.

quote:

thats your opinion. I think its just a huge publicity scheme that people are making a lot of money off of. Just check out how many sponsors are paying for the opportunity to be part of "the message"

Sponsors PAY to have their name there. It takes money to promote an event like this.

My friend, it's the corporate sponsors (and any large corp) that have the real power to make changes for the better. Industry consumes FAR more energy than citizens.

Ha! I program and run 80kva machine at work for 12+hrs/day. That's bloody serious consumption.

quote:

Really? So explain to me then why the first thing a poor country tries to do after supplying fresh water is bring in electricity? Why do u think that northern Ontario businesses that rely heavily on cheap electricity have recently gone out of business? (causing our own people to lose jobs and become poor). To the point that Mcguinty has finally included subsidizing their electricity in the latest budget. Get a clue!!!

READ WHAT I SAID! You can't read, Lorrie can't read. PAY ATTENTION.

Energy consumption DOES NOT EQUAL solving poverty.

Energy is important, but Lorrie is implying that if we try to conserve and be conscious about our consumption, 3rd world countries will become even more poor! Ha! 1+1=39857093f80945 sure!

quote:

thats the message i get. "look how cool we can be when we dont have electricity!!"

IT'S IN YOUR MIND. Look at the facts.

quote:

there are trade offs to everything. One is Co2, one is nuclear waste,an effect on an eco system. And yes, cost is an issue too.

What are the long term problems with solar, wind and MOST IMPORTANTLY tapping this bloody battery we're living on called EARTH via geothermal generation?

Can't win, don't try? That's INNOVATION, Jax1 style!!!!

quote:

spendy... so where do u propose we magically grow all our money then?

WTF are you talking about? Corporations invest in new technology to satisfy customer requirements. HELLO???!?!?!

THEY DO THIS ALL THE TIME. Where have you been? Do you call your friends on a string between two tin cans. What planet are you on?

quote:

id say that its more to do with the technology becoming cheaper much like flat screen tv costs have lowered the more the technology becomes widespread. Thats economics.

FUELED BY CONSUMER DEMAND. We want it, they build it. If everyone wanted to consume a lot of petrolium, GM and Chrysler wouldn't have gone out of business cause their truck programs would have survived!!! Hello??? There's life before this most recent financial collapse - this has been crippling the big three for many years (and Toyota was well exposed too).

quote:

it will and IS. Are you not aware of the tax introduced to ontario last week to pay for the sweetheart Samsung "green" deal? Oh plus HST i might add. One more stake in the heart of business that powers our economy.

Innovation will always have winners and losers. I kind of doubt that people are DYING in significant numbers in Northern Ontario because we have more efficient vehicles! LOL

quote:

i agree... this is why i think earth hour is a fucking joke.

Actually, it has already served its purpose as we're having a discussion about it.

Marketing - you just proved it works!!!1!!!11!

quote:

The big picture is not kyoto, its not earth hour, cap and trade and all these other stupid schemes that do nothing but transfer a lot of money around.

Reducing consumption is certainly not the answer. Lets burn MORE oil and see if that helps!!!!!111!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers No, he doesn't seem to want to find out what Earth Hour is promoting. He's just making silly conclusions on little/no facts and a lot of emotion.

Goldstein has done a lot of research about this topic and written extensively about it. Perhaps you should look up more of his articles to get a sense of who he is as a writer.

quote:

The SUN is not known for its journalistic integrity. Could you not find a similar article from a more reputable source (I'd even take the Star). Really man.

Its an opinion piece in a comment section. I doubt youd find a similar article in the Star because as the Sun is a conservative mouthpiece, the Star is a Liberal mouthpiece.

quote:

Sponsors PAY to have their name there. It takes money to promote an event like this. My friend, it's the corporate sponsors (and any large corp) that have the real power to make changes for the better. Industry consumes FAR more energy than citizens.

right. And then its the same people promoting earth hour that will turn around and tell you that corporations are evil and that everyone should farm the land and eat green beans. This is a huge marketing opportunity. Dont you get it? The plus side of all this at least is that it creates some jobs.

quote:

Ha! I program and run 80kva machine at work for 12+hrs/day. That's bloody serious consumption.

LOL! and what does this dohickey do exactly?

quote:

READ WHAT I SAID! You can't read, Lorrie can't read. PAY ATTENTION. Energy consumption DOES NOT EQUAL solving poverty. Energy is important, but Lorrie is implying that if we try to conserve and be conscious about our consumption, 3rd world countries will become even more poor! Ha! 1+1=39857093f80945 sure!

i can read, i just dont agree with what you are writing! Hurling personal insults just weakens your position.

Economies rely on cheap plentiful power + good economy provides jobs = people rise out of poverty

Do you know why we have conserved so much energy in the last year? Its called the recession. The energy conserved is because people are out of work and we are poorer. And now people want us to do this voluntarily?

quote:

IT'S IN YOUR MIND. Look at the facts.

i could say the same thing to you, but i wont lower myself to that kind of pettiness.

quote:

What are the long term problems with solar, wind and MOST IMPORTANTLY tapping this bloody battery we're living on called EARTH via geothermal generation?

Do you really think that we could power our whole economy with solar panels that are expensive, take up huge amounts of space, and only work when the sun is shining bright? And where do we store excess power? Batteries that contain acids and heavy metals?

quote:

Can't win, don't try? That's INNOVATION, Jax1 style!!!!

no, jayx1 style is to think long term and go big or go home. Lets bring in ideas that work using the economic levers that already exist to tackle real environmental issues such as dirty water, air pollution (im talking particulate and chemicals, not co2), and solid waste. Jayx1 style is not cheesy gimmicks, artificial crisis, and policies that do nothing to help the environment and do everything to transfer wealth around.

quote:

WTF are you talking about? Corporations invest in new technology to satisfy customer requirements. HELLO???!?!?! THEY DO THIS ALL THE TIME. Where have you been? Do you call your friends on a string between two tin cans. What planet are you on?

wow the insults are ripe today arent they?

Corperations invest in upgrades when its COST EFFICIENT to do so. Not because some enviro nuts think they should. When the technology becomes cheaper and it makes economic sense to do so, companies will retrofit. BTW even the telephone took decades to become standard and decades more to become widespread. It didnt just happen overnight

quote:

FUELED BY CONSUMER DEMAND. We want it, they build it. If everyone wanted to consume a lot of petrolium, GM and Chrysler wouldn't have gone out of business cause their truck programs would have survived!!! Hello??? There's life before this most recent financial collapse - this has been crippling the big three for many years (and Toyota was well exposed too).

Consumers want the most for the least. Period. That will never change. So like business, once its cost effective to "go green" youll see people lining up down the block to do so.

quote:

Innovation will always have winners and losers. I kind of doubt that people are DYING in significant numbers in Northern Ontario because we have more efficient vehicles! LOL

go have a chat with the thousands laid off because of hydro rates and see if you are still laughing then.

quote:

Actually, it has already served its purpose as we're having a discussion about it. Marketing - you just proved it works!!!1!!!11!

yup... it proves that people are gullible too.

quote:

Reducing consumption is certainly not the answer. Lets burn MORE oil and see if that helps!!!!!111!!!!

who said it had to be oil?

quote:

Originally posted by Abercrombie I've reduced my font size to save on electrons. Please congratulate me on my heroism.

LOL!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Hour

The WikiPedia page is being edited like crazy. Wiki-spam!

quote:

Earth Hour From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Wanna hear a joke? Women's Rights.

LOL

Jay sometimes you make me so angry
I wish I could go back to disliking you

I cant wait until I see you next so we can hash this out.

quote:

Originally posted by Intangible Jay sometimes you make me so angry I wish I could go back to disliking you I cant wait until I see you next so we can hash this out.

hahahahahah i look forward to it :P

,

awesome that there is an earth hour TV SPECIAL on right now... um, hellooooo?????

annnnnnnnnnnnd they are filming it from the CP24 HELICOPTER!! Thats great for global warming! bahahahaha

idiots

chantal k singing "leaving on a jet plane" at the earth day special.. She must singing about Al Gore and David Suzuki hahahaha

this is jokes....

quote:

Originally posted by rabbitjoker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Hour The WikiPedia page is being edited like crazy. Wiki-spam!

quote:

Essential cultural events like Canadian hockey matches will carry on regardless of Earth Hour. According to the Vancouver Sun, "TV, particularly when tuned to the Canucks, is classified as an essential use of power."

Lulz.

quote:

Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Turning lights off for an hour is not going to make anyone anymore aware of "climate issues". The people who think they need to save the world are already saving the world and those that don't care are going to continue not caring.

It does, actually - you know, the people who are open-minded enough to not want to immediately piss on the concept.

there was a delay on the subway today and someone actually asked me if it was because of earth hour

I celebrated earth hour by being incredibly drunk and eating copious amounts of sushi

boy i paid for that later. mother earth took vengeful spite on me

quote:

Originally posted by Yohan copious

word of the day!

quote:

Originally posted by kotsy there was a delay on the subway today and someone actually asked me if it was because of earth hour

I see what you did there.

quote:

Originally posted by daves It does, actually - you know, the people who are open-minded enough to not want to immediately piss on the concept.

Yeah, buddy, I get to watch residential electricity consumption/demand, and I can tell you straight up that nobody changes their habits after Earth Hour. Hell, most people don't even change it during the hour.

Some commercial buildings (and ironically almost no government buildings) turn off the lights, so... great, we save a few hundred bucks of electricity, and immediately afterward they go back to blasting their air conditioners while it's 15� outside.

I don't know how else you "measure" awareness, maybe there's something I'm missing, but using the term "open-minded" is so much BS here; what we need is for people to be objective, not open.

Every year it's the same thread, same debate, and every year, nothing changes. Every year, more and more people stop giving a crap about Earth Hour, and every year, governments at all levels stubbornly refuse to do the one thing that might actually reduce consumption/demand because it would be politically unpopular: Make the actual cost of electricity more transparent to its users.

I'll start being "open-minded" about this the same day people like you start being "open-minded" about a flat tax.

Stuff White People Like #18 - Awareness

quote:

An interesting fact about white people is that they firmly believe that all of the world�s problems can be solved through �awareness.� Meaning the process of making other people aware of problems, and then magically someone else like the government will fix it. This belief allows them to feel that sweet self-satisfaction without actually having to solve anything or face any difficult challenges. Because, the only challenge of raising awareness is people not being aware. In a worst case scenario, if you fail someone doesn�t know about the problem. End of story. What makes this even more appealing for white people is that you can raise �awareness� through expensive dinners, parties, marathons, selling t-shirts, fashion shows, concerts, eating at restaurants and bracelets. In other words, white people just have to keep doing stuff they like, EXCEPT now they can feel better about making a difference. Raising awareness is also awesome because once you raise awareness to an acceptable, aribtrary level, you can just back off and say �Bam! did my part. Now it�s your turn. Fix it.� So to summarize � you get all the benefits of helping (self satisfaction, telling other people) but no need for difficult decisions or the ensuing criticism (how do you criticize awareness?). Once again, white people find a way to score that sweet double victory. Popular things to be aware of: The Environment, Diseases like Cancer and AIDS, Africa, Poverty, Anorexia, Homophobia, Midde School Field Hockey/Lacrosse teams, Drug Rehab, and political prisoners.

Anyone notice from that airborne shots that none if any of the lights seemed to be turned off during earth hour? What a waste

quote:

Originally posted by DigiNut Yeah, buddy, I get to watch residential electricity consumption/demand, and I can tell you straight up that nobody changes their habits after Earth Hour. Hell, most people don't even change it during the hour. Some commercial buildings (and ironically almost no government buildings) turn off the lights, so... great, we save a few hundred bucks of electricity, and immediately afterward they go back to blasting their air conditioners while it's 15� outside. I don't know how else you "measure" awareness, maybe there's something I'm missing, but using the term "open-minded" is so much BS here; what we need is for people to be objective, not open. Every year it's the same thread, same debate, and every year, nothing changes. Every year, more and more people stop giving a crap about Earth Hour, and every year, governments at all levels stubbornly refuse to do the one thing that might actually reduce consumption/demand because it would be politically unpopular: Make the actual cost of electricity more transparent to its users. I'll start being "open-minded" about this the same day people like you start being "open-minded" about a flat tax.

I measure awareness by whether or not people know what is going on and there is dialogue about it.

Do people talk more about energy conservation when there are events like this?

I can say that people I interact with outside of the Internet seem to be a lot more engaged on the matter... whether or not their own activities have changed accordingly.

It's amazing how some things can drive dialogue outside of the internet world of OH YA FUK U EARTH HOUR, I AM FORUM WARRIOR I PISS ON U.

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.