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Originally posted by rulzz layering bass is an art and if you ask how to do it you probably should not be doing it.

Thats a stupid answer. so if someone who is starting out in production doesn't know the first thing in layers and bass then he should forget it. Everyone has to start somewhere.

Yes learning how to layer is a skill but like all skills you can learn how to do it. Also learning how to get the right Bass sounds is very hard but through experience trial and error and even tutorials you find out after time on how to create nice basslines etc.

My advice read books on sound design, Eq and compression etc watch tutorials on how to create basslinesand all other aspects in producing music. Over time you will eventually start making basslines that you say yes that's how to do it.

And last thing stick with it. The road is long and sometimes painfull but worth it in the end.

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Originally posted by user19503 it was a joke. and it was about everyone seems to need tutorials to be able to do anything right here. sorry i wasnt clear enough.

oh, i thought you were the OP! My fault!

I watched 3 hours of Darren Tate's Masterclass in Computer Music issue #120 and found it absolutely absorbing and informative. Although it has to be said I watched it religiously, I made notes and watched each step over and again until I got the point he was making. I still go back to it from time to time.

CM has also got some great tutorials :

http://www.computermusic.co.uk/page...m_tutorial_pdfs

Learning stuff is hard work - you can only get spoon fed so much.

Re: layering question

its not about quantity, but quality, if you think a lead sound lacks low frequencies, layer it with a sound that you can feel the lower frequencies...
if you think your track lacks air/atmos, use synth sounds that are rich in high frequencies...

the same applies for bass, but with bass its better open holes in the mix... like, if you kick peaks at 80hz, give a little cut in this region in your bass, etc...

use a spectrum analyzer for this: voxengo span2 (free) is excellent.

sometimes you layer with the same sound, back bussing, auxillary, routing tricks. be creative, theres no end, just a button away from a fresh project.

its all about having control over your mix, try to get that control.

Also parallel compression helps, compressing the hell out of a signal(high ratio) routed to a send, while keeping the original sound uncompressed)

might give a bit of the ol' new york compression ago actually, thanks guys.

i have a really nice plucky sound i'm quite happy with, i just want to add a little more beef :P

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Also parallel compression helps, compressing the hell out of a signal(high ratio) routed to a send, while keeping the original sound uncompressed)

"Send-in is a good start in my opinion"

well instead of layering you can just concentrate on one sinlge sound. To underline it you can add a lot of send-in channels with different delay, compression etc... ..that gives a really dry sound also kind of a panorama-feeling.
I used to layer a lot until I started this method ^^

To one of my last tracks a had 4 different send-in-channels to the main lead. Without those channels the sound was dry and boring.

Re: layering question

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Originally posted by Lyft how much do you guys layer up each individual sound?

as little as possible, but i try to make each sound as "big" as possible without destroying any or all of the others. most of my tracks (on SoundCloud) don't really have all that many instruments in each one, maybe just a few synths/acid lines, a bassline, and some pretty simplistic percussion.

the important thing about layering (or ANY kind of arrangement) is getting rid of frequencies that you don't need so each sound has its own space and isn't fighting other sounds, getting muddy. the problem with that is that there is NO set formula to use to determine how to figure that out, it's all an experience based thing (and i've been at this for over 15 years). at least if you know this (and I didn't years ago) you have a place to start messing around with your EQ's - for the most part: cutting, not boosting.

atm i'm mainly trying to focus on learning more about synth programming and eq. the main thing i've noticed about trance (compared to the other genre i write) is that each individual sound doesn't have to be huge, but it has to gel nicely with the other sounds around it.
also trying to improve on writing melodies that work better with (or opposite) each other.
i feel like my engineering ability is still improving, but i am yet to write anything that i would play out in a set. i just don't feel as though i have made any melodies that are really solid yet. though i am living on a tropical island on the great barrier reef now, so hopefully a few little sessions on the beach an in the rain forrest will help me find the inspiration i need to write something with real emotional weight behind it.

cheers for the help guys ^_^

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