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Posted by leph555 on May-03-2010 01:17:

Fuck, I though that it was true

I also wondered as to how Glen Beck would have responded to it


Posted by miamitranceman on May-03-2010 01:29:

They have some video footage of a white guy around 40 years old pulling up in the Pathfinder.

Earlier there were reports on CNN that the authorities were looking into whether this was an attempted attack on Viacom (offices in Times Square) in retribution for Comedy Central airing the South Park episode feat. Muhammad in a bear outfit.

Haven't heard anything more on that one though.


Posted by Joss Weatherby on May-03-2010 04:43:

quote:
There is no evidence the failed attempt to detonate a car bomb in New York was the work of al-Qaeda or any other big terrorist group, the city's mayor says.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8657606.stm


Posted by idoru on May-03-2010 04:44:

Like that's a surprise?


Posted by Joss Weatherby on May-03-2010 04:46:

Re: Re: Tea Party Republican Terrorists Plant Bomb in NYC

quote:
Originally posted by osterzone
I'm not a tea party supporter, but I find it hilarious how these liberal hipsters cower in fear if someone bashes their precious Obama


Have I ever mentioned Obama?

Obama is a fucking conservative, center-right democrat. The Right in the country has gone so far off the deepend though that what was center-right now might as well be Lenin and Trotsky preaching to the workers to revolt.


Posted by Lira on May-03-2010 05:09:

You know what I find appalling about it? If a foreigner (or anyone from a different religion, even if American) is behind this, like in 9/11, anyone from the same community - or that just happens to look similar - is going to face a lot of prejudice. Because, you know, they're all terrorists and the whole groups is to blame for fostering Anti-American views.

But, if an American Christian did this, suddenly everyone is enlightened and the guy is going to be treated as a delusional individual, and the society that harboured him up until now has no responsibility for his actions.

This universal asymmetrical bias really gets on my nerves.


Posted by The17sss on May-03-2010 05:30:

Re: Re: Re: Tea Party Republican Terrorists Plant Bomb in NYC

quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Obama is a fucking conservative, center-right democrat.




Wow. Explain to me how he is center-right and conservative, after having the most liberal voting record while in the Senate, nationalizing GM, nationalizing the student loan industry, 1500 banks so far, and has exploded our current and future debt to unprecedented levels. But he's conservative. LOL! Hey, don't listen to me, listen to Al Sharpton: "The American people overwhelmingly voted for Socialism when they elected President Obama."

Dude you're even more far gone than the zaney tea partiers you like to skewer.




Even deeper after raising the borrowing limit a few months ago...


Conservative!!


Posted by Joss Weatherby on May-03-2010 05:51:

He could be more liberal. He should be more liberal. He has not gone far enough yet.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on May-03-2010 06:10:

What a load of bollocks. The Medicaid prescription drug subsidy will be one of the biggest contributors to the deficit, but once again one-eyed kev misses the point.


Posted by The17sss on May-03-2010 12:21:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
What a load of bollocks. The Medicaid prescription drug subsidy will be one of the biggest contributors to the deficit, but once again one-eyed kev misses the point.


lol... what?


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on May-03-2010 12:34:

quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
lol... what?


like i said. the prescription drug subsidy bill signed into law by your best mate george w, will become the most expensive thing ever.

quote:

ALICE RIVLIN, Dir., Office of Management & Budget, 1994-96: In the Clinton years, we had the "pay-go" rule, pay as you go, and that meant we couldn't pass a lot of good-sounding ideas, including Medicare prescription drugs. It's not that nobody thought of that in the '90s. A lot of people thought of it. But we couldn't pay for it. To pay for it, we would have had to have done a tax increase or cut out some other spending in major proportions, and nobody wanted to do that, so we didn't do it.

FORREST SAWYER: But the Bush administration did do it. With "pay-go" no longer restraining spending, they had pushed through Medicare part D, a program that's projected over time to cost as much as $8 trillion.

DAVID WESSEL: They did not come up with a way to raise taxes or cut spending somewhere else to pay for it, so they just passed this thing. It goes into law. It's a promise to elderly people that we'll pay- subsidize their drugs, and we borrow every year to pay for it. And in the end, it's more expensive than the war in Iraq because the war in Iraq ends at some point. Certainly, it will end now that Obama's president. But the prescription drug benefit will go on forever.

FORREST SAWYER: It will go on forever because it's a promise made by the federal government to its citizens. Seniors are entitled to this benefit, just the as they are entitled to Social Security and Medicare itself. These entitlements are all enormously popular, but they're also enormously expensive. Medicare part D alone will cost $60 billion this year.

JACKIE CALMES: The expense of that over time, unfunded liabilities for the government, at a time when more people are reaching retirement age and qualifying for Medicare, added more to the long-term obligations of the government than all of Social Security.

FORREST SAWYER: Medicare part D was the largest spending bill the president signed, but there were dozens of others. During his first five years as president, with a Republican-controlled House and Senate, George Bush never vetoed a spending bill. Fiscal conservatives in his own party accused him of being the biggest spender since World War II.


so, why dont you tell me where exactly that bill is represented on those stupid graphs of yours and how much of the "blue" deficit is really owned by those evil democrats?


Posted by david.michael on May-03-2010 12:55:

Heh, I've eaten at that McDonald's they showed the video of. Was so weird to me to have a second floor in a McDonald's.


Posted by The17sss on May-03-2010 13:03:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
like i said. the prescription drug subsidy bill signed into law by your best mate george w, will become the most expensive thing ever.

so, why dont you tell me where exactly that bill is represented on those stupid graphs of yours and how much of the "blue" deficit is really owned by those evil democrats?


Those graphs illustrate the amount of money Obama himself has committed to spending. And, how can a portion of Medicare become the most expensive thing ever? Wouldn't Medicare itself be more expensive than an individual piece of it? Anyway that discussion you posted is all based on the premise that the prescription drug benefit will go on forever as is. In reality, it's schduled for cuts next year and the tax deduction for it is eliminated in 2013. I'm not well versed on Medicare (who is?), but from what I understand that price tag reflects gross costs only, and doesn't take into account the income Medicare will collect from premiums paid by beneficiaries or payments from states for beneficiaries eligible for both Medicare and Medicaid.


Posted by PivotTechno on May-03-2010 14:10:

Why is it so widely accepted that the prevailing mentality can only be "our side vs. their side", and that so few are willing to consider that it just might be "government vs. the people"?

Despite the perceived wranglings of Dems vs. Reps which most people tend to accept de facto, could there be grounds for even the slightest consideration that a lot of these people who are seen as being opponents might possibly be shaking hands with each other behind closed doors?

Far fetched, maybe, but how about the possibility that the whole terrorist car bomb ordeal was fabricated, simply to keep people suspicious and in perpetual fear of "the other guy"?

But no, it couldn't possibly be that...I mean, no sane government would consciously act against the interests of its own citizenry.

Certainly we've evolved to a level of consciousness where that sort of thing doesn't happen anymore.

N'est pas?


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on May-03-2010 14:13:

quote:
Originally posted by PivotTechno
Far fetched, maybe, but how about the possibility that the whole terrorist car bomb ordeal was fabricated, simply to keep people suspicious and in perpetual fear of "the other guy"?


grow up.


Posted by PivotTechno on May-03-2010 14:26:

What, grow up and close my mind to all possibilities, believing only the status quo?

But you're right, it couldn't possibly be the government's doing, as they're just looking out for the well being of average blokes like you and me, and not attempting to make the citizenry paranoid of each other in any way...

Nope

Never


Posted by leph555 on May-03-2010 15:33:


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on May-03-2010 15:38:

quote:
Originally posted by PivotTechno
What, grow up and close my mind to all possibilities, believing only the status quo?

But you're right, it couldn't possibly be the government's doing, as they're just looking out for the well being of average blokes like you and me, and not attempting to make the citizenry paranoid of each other in any way...

Nope

Never


Even if all of your most paranoid dreams came true, what would you actually do about it?


Posted by PivotTechno on May-03-2010 15:40:

Well that would kind of ruin the fun if I told you, now wouldn't it?


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on May-03-2010 15:52:

Like that's ever held you back.


Posted by Joss Weatherby on May-03-2010 17:39:

quote:
Originally posted by PivotTechno
Why is it so widely accepted that the prevailing mentality can only be "our side vs. their side", and that so few are willing to consider that it just might be "government vs. the people"?

Despite the perceived wranglings of Dems vs. Reps which most people tend to accept de facto, could there be grounds for even the slightest consideration that a lot of these people who are seen as being opponents might possibly be shaking hands with each other behind closed doors?

Far fetched, maybe, but how about the possibility that the whole terrorist car bomb ordeal was fabricated, simply to keep people suspicious and in perpetual fear of "the other guy"?

But no, it couldn't possibly be that...I mean, no sane government would consciously act against the interests of its own citizenry.

Certainly we've evolved to a level of consciousness where that sort of thing doesn't happen anymore.

N'est pas?



You are an idiot. Private industry added the chemicals to industrial and medical alcohols to avoid them being taxed as spirits (or out right banned). This is common practice all over the world. Soldiers in vietnam during the war buying hooch would often be blinded from improperly made alchohol. The article even states that this still happens around the world today.

Us vs. Them and Us vs. The Gubbymint is the exact same thing. Government serves a purpose and I'd rather back the closest thing to my interests than go for all out anarchy and total "freedom" like the tea party wants (where they'd just get ass-raped by whoever gets total control in the void).


Posted by PivotTechno on May-03-2010 20:50:

Hey, whatever floats your boat, meng...

signed,

Your Friendly Neighbourhood Idiot


quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Like that's ever held you back.


True dat, but there are some things worth waiting on.

By process of elimination, it won't be anything violent, as I abhor the stuff.

Is it bigger than a bread basket?

Smaller than The Brooklyn Bridge?


Posted by SYSTEM-J on May-04-2010 00:16:

This thread has been all kinds of stupid since the first post. And yes, TEH IRONY that I'm posting in it.


Posted by Lilith on May-04-2010 02:43:

Oh well, I always figured old whiteys in 4WD's would contribute to the destruction of civilisation in some form or another.


Posted by Lews on May-04-2010 04:51:

Arrest Made

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/04/ne...hpt=T1&iref=BN1

quote:
An arrest has been made in a failed attempt to set off a car bomb in New York's Times Square over the weekend, a law enforcement official told CNN early Tuesday.


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