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I write the BPMs on my records. is that cheating? its helping me out though.. I can beatmatch 75% if the time without knowning the BPM at the moment. Im getting better!

I don't think that's cheating, I do it too...it also helps with programming a set!

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Originally posted by jdat well you never get 99.9999 % precise I don't think so once you're precise enough I think it's more about the day you're spinning and you're "luck" or "mood" or whatever you call it ;.... cause even pro djs screw up ... at a higher rate then 0.111% well at least that's the way I see it

sorry, just being a smartass, but 99.9999 plus 0.111 = 100.1109 so you meant "at a higher rate than 0.0001%" which makes your statement even more true

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Originally posted by djkonami I write the BPMs on my records. is that cheating? its helping me out though.. I can beatmatch 75% if the time without knowning the BPM at the moment. Im getting better!

i think this is cheating. IMO i think you shud learn to DJ without the aid of ne tools, or without knowing the bpm. If you can slap 2 tracks down on the TT and mix em, it makes u a better DJ

Knowing the bpm isn't really going to help you match the beats anyway. I write the bpm's for the reason of programming. I wouldn't want to jump around and play one track at 128 then the next at 144, to me that's not a way to build...

I agree with you though, you shouldn't concern yourself with the songs BPM when learning to match beats! Your ear is your best tool!

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike i think this is cheating.

BS, wtf is cheating anyway? are there 'rules'? no. is it a game? no. So I think there is no such thing as 'cheating'

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike IMO i think you shud learn to DJ without the aid of ne tools, or without knowing the bpm. If you can slap 2 tracks down on the TT and mix em, it makes u a better DJ

but I agree with this 100%

Here's what I'm thinking. I'm not the smartest man in the world, but here's the real on this.

You can write the BPM's on your records, use BPM counters, etc ALL YOU WANT. It still doesn't mean that you can get them in phase and more importantly...KEEP them matched. That's where the skill comes in I think.....noticing that slight slip in the beat before the crowd even knows what's going wrong, and then correcting it and having everyone going "DAMN that guy/girl's good!!!!"

It's kind of like my baseball coach in college used to tell me. It's all a matter of execution. I know that sounds like some cheesy-ass "coachy" thing to say, but it's true. He used to tell us that it doesn't matter if the other team knows what pitch is coming or knows what you're going to do next. it all comes down to them making good on the oppurtuniy. In other words, you can receive all the help you can get (BPM counters, etc) but that still doesn't mean you can execute it right.

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Originally posted by ne1seenmykeys Here's what I'm thinking. I'm not the smartest man in the world, but here's the real on this. You can write the BPM's on your records, use BPM counters, etc ALL YOU WANT. It still doesn't mean that you can get them in phase and more importantly...KEEP them matched. That's where the skill comes in I think.....noticing that slight slip in the beat before the crowd even knows what's going wrong, and then correcting it and having everyone going "DAMN that guy/girl's good!!!!" It's kind of like my baseball coach in college used to tell me. It's all a matter of execution. I know that sounds like some cheesy-ass "coachy" thing to say, but it's true. He used to tell us that it doesn't matter if the other team knows what pitch is coming or knows what you're going to do next. it all comes down to them making good on the oppurtuniy. In other words, you can receive all the help you can get (BPM counters, etc) but that still doesn't mean you can execute it right.

yup I totally agree. It's not about rules/cheating/tools. It's about performance and skill.

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Originally posted by ampburner BS, wtf is cheating anyway? are there 'rules'? no. is it a game? no. So I think there is no such thing as 'cheating'

ffs i was just using the other guys terminology. ok, "defeats the object" then. What skill is it beatmatching knowing the bpms, and having a beat counter in front of you.

Last Tuesday I have bought 2 turntables and some records to start off with. Well I have to say that it should take a while before I know how to get the beats compleet matched. But has any of you a good and clear advise how to get the beats matched. I tried it many times already, and, like many of the newbees I Suck too ...

Without Bpm couters or any of that kind Equipm.But just the old way of mixing...

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike ffs i was just using the other guys terminology. ok, "defeats the object" then. What skill is it beatmatching knowing the bpms, and having a beat counter in front of you.

lol sorry if I came across abit harsh. Of course you need skill. If you can't beatmatch without a bpmcounter, you can't beatmatch at all IMO, totally agree with you, but all I'm saying is in the end if writing down the bpms (for instance) on your sleeves helps you perform better... I say do it!

hey hamburgerboefje, check deze link:

http://music.hyperreal.org/dj/AVH/Basics.html#beat

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Originally posted by ampburner BS, wtf is cheating anyway? are there 'rules'? no. is it a game? no. So I think there is no such thing as 'cheating'

Exactly.
Ampburner, I agree with you 100%!
This is a very good post.

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Originally posted by ampburner BS, wtf is cheating anyway? are there 'rules'? no. is it a game? no. So I think there is no such thing as 'cheating'

true, only to a certain degree though... if you rely on bpm counters and other tools to help you beatmatch, you will suck when thrown in front of mixers w/out bpm counters and will wreck your set... so if you are commited to learning to mix, you should stop using or even thinking about using bpm counters...

Re: Beatmatching ?

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Originally posted by GT_TraNcE so how long did it take you guys 2 learn how 2 beatmatch

2 years and counting. Still learning everyday

thx for everyone that helps me to understand the beatmatch .. but there is one thing that bug me .. i read several ppl reply that they tried to beatmatch 2 songs for 10-30 secs .. i wondered do i need to beatmatch for that kind of long ? coz 30 secs is indeed very long and its hard to beatmatch for that long.

Thx, LeVouS

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Originally posted by LeVouS thx for everyone that helps me to understand the beatmatch .. but there is one thing that bug me .. i read several ppl reply that they tried to beatmatch 2 songs for 10-30 secs .. i wondered do i need to beatmatch for that kind of long ? coz 30 secs is indeed very long and its hard to beatmatch for that long. Thx, LeVouS

Essentially yes you need to have them beatmatched for that long, and yes it is a long time...just listen to the music and you will notice how much as changed, but if you have them beatmatched correctly they will not ver off. So if you have them beatmatched correctly then that thirty seconds will seem to short cause you have to figure out how you are goin to bring the next track in and make the transition. I hope that this helped you some.

Peace

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Originally posted by LeVouS thx for everyone that helps me to understand the beatmatch .. but there is one thing that bug me .. i read several ppl reply that they tried to beatmatch 2 songs for 10-30 secs .. i wondered do i need to beatmatch for that kind of long ? coz 30 secs is indeed very long and its hard to beatmatch for that long. Thx, LeVouS

well, it depends on the type of transition you're going to do. Some times a quick cross fade will sound great and you hardly need to beatmatch for a long time, but if for example you're spinning progressive, 2 or 3 minute long transitions are quite common.

30 secs may seem long but I'm telling you, in a few months you'll be pulling of longer beatmaches, learning as you practise.

if you have two tracks *perfectly* beatmatched you could have them playing together for the entire song lentgh if the beats start to drift after a while, say 30 secs, this means you do not have both tracks entirely beatmatched. Which isn't always a problem, because a 30 second transition can sound just as great as a five minute one. in the end it's all about the music.

hmm.. iC

Thx for the info .. in that case i am going to spend my weekends just to practise beatmatching ... hahahaA~

btw is there any info for me which can help me master the beatmatching faster ?



Peace, LeVouS

http://music.hyperreal.org/dj/AVH/Basics.html#beat

an extensive tutorial on beatmatching, but it's good imho

Let me ask you this while we're on the subject of beatmatching.

Have you ever had those times where you're cueing a song, you listen and beatmatch till you are confident that they are matched then when the time comes to finally drop the track, you can't get the the beats lined up? lol

It sounds kinda funny but sometimes that happens, it's like I lose concentration or I'm just anxious and it causes me to be out of phase....I guess that's why I still have alot to learn!


Back to the subject...
For about the first 9 months of spinning, I could always beat match, it would take me a majority of the song to do it but usually I would end up with them matched, of course I miss alot too. Now being at the 1 year mark, I can match them up usually in the first minute or so. I'm always listening for possible fine-tuning though and the 1 minute isn't always the case, sometimes I do struggle. Some songs have a faint bass or they have so many highs that it's hard to focus on the beat to match them, therefor sometimes it takes me longer.

One thing I do know is once you get the hang of it, your love for dj'ing will increase! You will realize that it is not impossible and with hard work you will go further!!!

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Originally posted by ampburner hey hamburgerboefje, check deze link: http://music.hyperreal.org/dj/AVH/Basics.html#beat

En bedankt!!!

Yeah,man I'll have it matched fine,but when its time to push off I get too anxious and mess up.

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Originally posted by LeVouS btw is there any info for me which can help me master the beatmatching faster ? Peace, LeVouS

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