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Originally posted by Eric J Again, like I said you need to ensure that different sounds are not overlapping in certain frequency bands. For example, it your kick's fundamental is a ~80Hz, and your bass also has a fundamental at ~80Hz, then you need to cut one of them, so they do not overlap. This is creating space in the mix. /[/URL]

You have a whole lot more experience than me, but I'm just going to put it out there that I would NEVER ever recommend cutting the fundamental frequency of a sound. EVER. Especially a bass sound. I'd look at the sequencing instead or try to sidechain it, or move the bass up an octave or something.

@ the OP; you've deleted the link to your track, so I can't really give you any advice at all.

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@ the OP; you've deleted the link to your track, so I can't really give you any advice at all.

No worries, I got it all figured out now

peace out

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Originally posted by kitphillips You have a whole lot more experience than me, but I'm just going to put it out there that I would NEVER ever recommend cutting the fundamental frequency of a sound. EVER. Especially a bass sound. I'd look at the sequencing instead or try to sidechain it, or move the bass up an octave or something.

why not?

sometimes you dont need the fundamental frequency in a sound due to psychoacoustics

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Originally posted by kitphillips You have a whole lot more experience than me, but I'm just going to put it out there that I would NEVER ever recommend cutting the fundamental frequency of a sound. EVER. Especially a bass sound. I'd look at the sequencing instead or try to sidechain it, or move the bass up an octave or something.

Try it sometime, you may be pleasantly surprised at the results.

Ive done it several ways. I have dipped the fundamental on tracks in the past and had it work. Try dipping your fundamental a few db but adding some bitcrushing or saturation at the end of your bass channel. You'd be surprised at how much presence the bass has without taking up a lot of headroom.

But again, it just depends on the situation, that's the point I was making. The idea is to have many techniques at your disposal, so that when you are having a problem you can try those techniques to fix them.

looks like a another case solved for the ta team lol

There's some sort of internal (master) limiter on FL to prevent clipping over -0.0db. So make sure your mixer channels volumes are low enough (or atleast the master channel)

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Originally posted by Eric J Try it sometime, you may be pleasantly surprised at the results. Ive done it several ways. I have dipped the fundamental on tracks in the past and had it work. Try dipping your fundamental a few db but adding some bitcrushing or saturation at the end of your bass channel. You'd be surprised at how much presence the bass has without taking up a lot of headroom. But again, it just depends on the situation, that's the point I was making. The idea is to have many techniques at your disposal, so that when you are having a problem you can try those techniques to fix them.

Fair enough. I just think that if your dropping the fundamental you'd be better off just pulling down the fader. It tends to leave the sound hollow IMO.

Great thread! Thank you

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Originally posted by a98 There's some sort of internal (master) limiter on FL to prevent clipping over -0.0db. So make sure your mixer channels volumes are low enough (or atleast the master channel)

the default template has a limiter on the master and it sucks.
My advice is get rid of this, set your kick to around -6 and mix to that. Leave limiting to mastering and even then don't pump and squash the crap out of the mix.

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Originally posted by Eric J Try dipping your fundamental a few db but adding some bitcrushing or saturation at the end of your bass channel. You'd be surprised at how much presence the bass has without taking up a lot of headroom.

Did this on my last track, used downsampling then FL's native overdrive fx 'blood overdrive' and some careful eq and compression. It's a rhythmic baseline rather than a rolling sidechained one. The technique gave it a nice crunchy sound and it stood out nicely in the mix with out compromising the low end eq's.

Via Schumann waves all humans are in resonance to the earth, since the fundamental brain frequencies go conformal with the earth resonance frequency.
This makes it possible to go into direct contact to the earth with their consciousness and pick up information outside of their five senses...

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Originally posted by Eric J No. It generally is a bad idea for the purposes of creating space in a mix.

not really, in some parts of the song u can free up some room to automate the EQ

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Originally posted by sako487 not really, in some parts of the song u can free up some room to automate the EQ

Im not saying that is should never be done, but what I am saying is that there are better alternatives such as the ones I suggested previously. For someone just starting out, they should avoid the temptation to do this for the purposes of cleaning up a mix because it quickly becomes an exercise in madness and rarely is it necessary to achieve a mix with clarity and presence.

If you want to automate the EQ to simulate a filter sweep or perform a "flanged" mid-bandwidth sweep (for example), then that is an entirely different context of usage. In that case EQ automation is being used as an "effect" rather than being used as a tone shaping tool to clean up a mix.

Dude, ive been working on FL- studio for about 8 years, so iam definitly not starting out.

I meant - EQ automation not to create space, but to warp the sound and make a second of space , like a gap, for another sound to play in at that second- and then changing again back to the previous frequency.

Almost like a see-saw effect- !



Frequency automation in like a wave, rolling from about 200hz-2Khz in about 2 seconds.

???
What do you guys say...

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Originally posted by routingwithin Dude, ive been working on FL- studio for about 8 years, so iam definitly not starting out. I meant - EQ automation not to create space, but to warp the sound and make a second of space , like a gap, for another sound to play in at that second- and then changing again back to the previous frequency. Almost like a see-saw effect- ! Frequency automation in like a wave, rolling from about 200hz-2Khz in about 2 seconds. ??? What do you guys say...

Hello,
Im still a newbe, but what about using filters (with automation)on ur patterns, to create the space that you want.
Also i have started to export my patterns to wavs, and apply izotope to them, using its presets, and then placing them back into fl.
The mix no longer sounds like its boxed.

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Originally posted by kitphillips No one's going to tell you you need "big speakers". Thats stupid. And no, there is no "theory to follow" to make every mix sound good. You need to be able to hear the mix. If you have good headphones and some time and skill you can do that. But not if your using your little sisters Skull Candy ones. Every mix needs a different combination of techniques to make it sound good. You won't know which ones to apply unless you can hear it and listen to it critically. I'll post some actual advice when your site comes back up.

I agree, however, ive been playing with a friends monitors, and it reveals many things that you just cant hear on headphones.
I cant afford monitors but have found something almost as good, check out the redline monitor @ 112db.com

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Originally posted by routingwithin Dude, ive been working on FL- studio for about 8 years

there's your problem

Learn stuff and shit.

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Originally posted by routingwithin Via Schumann waves all humans are in resonance to the earth, since the fundamental brain frequencies go conformal with the earth resonance frequency. This makes it possible to go into direct contact to the earth with their consciousness and pick up information outside of their five senses...

I bet you also detune your music by 8 cents like I do

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Originally posted by Prototrance the default template has a limiter on the master and it sucks.

no i don't mean this, there's a built in hidden limiter of some sort that you can't get rid off. just try it out, make a track as loud as possible, it won't clip but gets compressed.

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Originally posted by a98 no i don't mean this, there's a built in hidden limiter of some sort that you can't get rid off. just try it out, make a track as loud as possible, it won't clip but gets compressed.

it redlines, so its clipping. theres no hidden limiter lol

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Originally posted by sako487 it redlines, so its clipping. theres no hidden limiter lol

lol you obviously haven't even tried it. export a track that's as loud as possible and check it out with an audio editor..

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Originally posted by a98 lol you obviously haven't even tried it. export a track that's as loud as possible and check it out with an audio editor..

Its not a limiter, when you export the wav, it doesnt keep all the data above 0.0db

thats why when you make a track as loud as possible and export, it looks like a cube instead of a giant waveform

Well just why the fuck should your tracks even clip?

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