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Originally posted by Stephen Wiley Was doing a bit of "studying" at work last night. Two goodies here. 1. Delays - Set a delay to less than 30ms with low feedback. You won't get a delayed sound but it'll create a much wider, fuller sound that can be used to pull bass and vocals to the front of a mix. It's really helpful for pulling sounds forward in a mixing as well as having them cut through a mix. Great weapon here!

HEY! that's my trick you teef!

I posted up the tiny delay trick about 6 months ago (done on my electribe), but then again monkeys do think alike

Actually there's a really neat other way of doing it too: apply a lot of amount (wet) of the delay and then just lsightly open the "time". Give a subtly but really crunchy depth, and works epsecially well on leads, baases and hi perc. It works especially well on simple delay (such as the electribe).

I shouldn't be sharing this one, but his is done ALL the time by some very serious film score engineers for the parts that have fast paced perc (which is why it works for EDM). Sounds fucking amazing in 5.1 or higher but is also effective in stereo.

If you have a lof of 16 or 32 note perc hits, send them to an auto panner (or 2)and modulate the depth of pan to fit a crescendo or breakdown. It's like the hi perc gets wider and has the effect of speeding up or slowing down as the stero image changes.

1. steal from others

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Originally posted by 19503 1. steal from others

yes we know

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Originally posted by 19503 1. steal from others

So agree. Steal everything. Steal sounds, steal ideas, steal techniques. Steal. If you listen to a song, steal something from it. If you can't find something to steal, listen again.

In terms of actual techniques

1/ atmospheric reverbs. If it can make mnml a genre its gotta be good.

2/ Compress the master while your mixing.

3/ Have awesome samples.

The greatest secret is to have :-

a) great ideas

and

b) better ears

this seems like a no brainer but i seeso many preset leads out there with no pre-delay for the reverb so the transient gets smeared thus the sound isn't as good as it should be.


lesson: transients are very important. dont fuck with them if you don't know this.

3 MG-42's with 16,000+ ammo.
1 M224 60mm Mortar with 30 rounds.


STAY AWAY FROM MY COMPOUND!! I have more I am NOT telling you about.


Oh, and on the 'less is more' kick:

Phrases like, "Fast is slow, slow is smooth, smooth is fast"; "Less is more"; and "Ruling a country is like cooking a small fish" - They're great Buddhist and Taoist dichotomies but they only really offer a contrasting framework for building music on (along with anything else you can think to apply it towards). Furthermore, both Eric J and Keysora, from what I've heard of their music, aren't necessarily in disagreement with one another. While Eric J uses a clean mix which could be construed as simple, the elements themselves have a fairly tangible interaction which is somewhat complex. Keysora's central melody lines are inherently simple but elegant and draw a great deal of their beauty from the elements which surround them.

Under heaven all can see beauty as beauty only because there is ugliness.
All can know good as good only because there is evil.

Therefore having and not having arise together.
Difficult and easy complement each other.
Long and short contrast each other:
High and low rest upon each other;
Voice and sound harmonize each other;
Front and back follow one another.

Therefore the sage goes about doing nothing, teaching no-talking.
The ten thousand things rise and fall without cease,
Creating, yet not.
Working, yet not taking credit.
Work is done, then forgotten.
Therefore it lasts forever.

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Originally posted by Stephen Wiley this seems like a no brainer but i seeso many preset leads out there with no pre-delay for the reverb so the transient gets smeared thus the sound isn't as good as it should be. lesson: transients are very important. dont fuck with them if you don't know this.

Is there any sites that explain about these? I can find nothing on google other than a short wiki page

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Keysora

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Keysora's central melody lines are inherently simple but elegant and draw a great deal of their beauty from the elements which surround them.

I guess I'd agree, but as far as my tracks as a whole are concerned I've never used any kind of process that emphasizes using less of anything. Though maybe I should, there are artists like Ferry Tayle who have very smooth, calming tracks that are built on a few sounds that are perfect together instead of a wall of sound like my tracks tend to be.

Also for all the people here who bitch about trance becoming formulaic and predictable I'm surprised there are people suggesting that stealing in general is actually good advice.

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Originally posted by Matt_Moor Is there any sites that explain about these? I can find nothing on google other than a short wiki page

you need to get a book off amazon mate! you'll learn a ton.



http://www.amazon.com/Dance-Music-M...79464846&sr=1-1

I have the first version and can vouch for it. I'm sure the second revision is even better. You'll get a ton of questions answered and more going through this thing. I'd say 95% of what I have learned has come from books and practice. The whole watch youtube tutorial thing just doesn't do it for me. The surface isn't even scratched with those things.

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Originally posted by Kysora I guess I'd agree, but as far as my tracks as a whole are concerned I've never used any kind of process that emphasizes using less of anything. Though maybe I should, there are artists like Ferry Tayle who have very smooth, calming tracks that are built on a few sounds that are perfect together instead of a wall of sound like my tracks tend to be. Also for all the people here who bitch about trance becoming formulaic and predictable I'm surprised there are people suggesting that stealing in general is actually good advice.

Understand that I'm only making a (subjective) observation about your style - and not a critique of it - especially since I like it. Therefor, I wouldn't change anything. My point was that "less is more" is a Buddhist dichotomy which is misinterpreted, often to suit a requirement of someone's ego and not used correctly as a tool with which to achieve a goal.

Where I'll use it as a tool, for instance, is with a part which is relatively complex - I'll put the complex track in the back of everything else but I'll put all of my simple parts up front. (well, that's how I try to use it and I'm not sure how well it translates beyond my own perception of it.)

Ikebana - the Japanese art of flower arrangement - is a practice where a literal less is more ethos really makes sense. Even then, however, its ethos dictates that beauty is inherent and that the goal of its artist is to get out of the way of the beauty. Looking at a Buddhist Monastery, one is hard pressed to find anything 'simplistic' about it. Perhaps 'less is more' has been applied to some extent but in details which aren't apparent to the lay-person beholder.

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Originally posted by owien yes we know

i dont know what u mean here multiple options could be interpreted

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Originally posted by 19503 i dont know what u mean here multiple options could be interpreted

i was having a laugh with you dude

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Originally posted by EddieZilker 3 MG-42's with 16,000+ ammo. 1 M224 60mm Mortar with 30 rounds. STAY AWAY FROM MY COMPOUND!! I have more I am NOT telling you about. Oh, and on the 'less is more' kick: Phrases like, "Fast is slow, slow is smooth, smooth is fast"; "Less is more"; and "Ruling a country is like cooking a small fish" - They're great Buddhist and Taoist dichotomies but they only really offer a contrasting framework for building music on (along with anything else you can think to apply it towards). Furthermore, both Eric J and Keysora, from what I've heard of their music, aren't necessarily in disagreement with one another. While Eric J uses a clean mix which could be construed as simple, the elements themselves have a fairly tangible interaction which is somewhat complex. Keysora's central melody lines are inherently simple but elegant and draw a great deal of their beauty from the elements which surround them. Under heaven all can see beauty as beauty only because there is ugliness. All can know good as good only because there is evil. Therefore having and not having arise together. Difficult and easy complement each other. Long and short contrast each other: High and low rest upon each other; Voice and sound harmonize each other; Front and back follow one another. Therefore the sage goes about doing nothing, teaching no-talking. The ten thousand things rise and fall without cease, Creating, yet not. Working, yet not taking credit. Work is done, then forgotten. Therefore it lasts forever. ~ http://www.iging.com/laotse/LaotseE.htm#1 In not trying to read too much into these sayings, you can read everything into these sayings.

No amount of intellectual masturbation is going to make you understand seemingly paradoxical statements from Buddhist teachers. Even the clearest of explanations needs experiential knowledge to be complete.
You need to do drugs or meditate a lot.

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Originally posted by owien i was having a laugh with you dude

lol it could have meant that u all think i was stealing from you guys lol.

1. Layering for kicks and especially basslines. Might seem obvious but I overlooked doing this for years. One of the producers I most look up to, Protoculture, wrote a great post about this HERE
2. M/S AKA Mid-Side compression
3. Record an instrument into a new audio track by setting the input of an audio track as the output of another. Hit record and your track gets laid down into this new track as it gets played. Realzing this recently I was finally able to get around the "CPU Overload" error in Cubase when using my Virus Ti and can finally enjoy using it again.

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Originally posted by Beatflux No amount of intellectual masturbation is going to make you understand seemingly paradoxical statements from Buddhist teachers. Even the clearest of explanations needs experiential knowledge to be complete. You need to do drugs or meditate a lot.

Hence,

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Originally posted by EddieZilker In not trying to read too much into these sayings, you can read everything into these sayings.

Sidechain compression.

analog

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Originally posted by Stephen Wiley you need to get a book off amazon mate! you'll learn a ton. http://www.amazon.com/Dance-Music-M...79464846&sr=1-1 I have the first version and can vouch for it. I'm sure the second revision is even better. You'll get a ton of questions answered and more going through this thing. I'd say 95% of what I have learned has come from books and practice. The whole watch youtube tutorial thing just doesn't do it for me. The surface isn't even scratched with those things.

Nice one Stephen thanks for the info

alright a little different one here.

tubes on the bass for some grit. Off topic, this one video i seen over a year ago with deadmau5 and Dj aero, they were carrying around this Little Red Box in their mobile studio. i believe it was a small tube amp of some sort, they didnt discuss it. They just said it was their secret weapon not exactly quoted as such. I have been trying to figure out the model and such, maybe someone knows about the device here. shit maybe deadmau5 can reply. details are vague because its been a long time since ive seen it.

probably just some guitar fx thing

The most obvious answer is usually not so obvious, but it usually is the most obvious answer.

Secret weapons are for producers that have to rely on some esoteric thing that is in style and because of their general lack of innovation refuse to let those secrets out as they are pretty much the summation of said producers talents.

People that have to hide their secrets tend to be one trick poneys.

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