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Originally posted by floyd741 If you want to expand your musical tastes without ever encountering the slightest bit of negativity, then you need to stop dreaming and be realistic.

I don't think anyone will argue this - what we're getting at is (the general consensus) that some people take it way too far.

Also the vast majority comes as "that's not good, your taste is terrible" instead of "that's not good, check this out."

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Originally posted by Swamper I don't think anyone will argue this - what we're getting at is (the general consensus) that some people take it way too far.

I suppose so, but, I can't really understand the problem osterzone has. I've not been here for long, but for as long as I've been here I've never felt that anyone takes it too far. Maybe I just tolerate it more, but I see no issues with things the way they are.

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Originally posted by osterzone You have to acknowledge a problem before you can fix it.

So how do you want to fix it?

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Also I used to troll music discussion threads, then I realized how stupid it was and I stopped doing it.

Like I said, you're no better than anyone else.

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Originally posted by MR.Mystery So how do you want to fix it?

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Also the vast majority comes as "that's not good, your taste is terrible" instead of "that's not good, check this out."

Well...

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Originally posted by osterzone But the whole concept of "growing your tastes" is based completely on opinion.

not really.

there are several neurological/pscyhological studies on the pleasure principle that show that increased breadth and depth of knowledge of a subject increases pleasure of it.

check this book
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/b...ew/Henig-t.html

no problem with this forum, except people who click submit threads way too often. as I've expressed before, the "haters" here makes this place good. but then again that's my opinion.

it's "all" good

5 years+ of reading these boards gives you an insight (for better or for worse)

1 year doesn't

this is great. using trolling as an excuse for being a total idiot for a year. I've got to hand it to you, you're an entertaining specimen.

and fuck

Compared to hip-hop or video game forums, this place is unicorns and rainbows.

I see nothing wrong with the odd pisstake on a topic that gets recycled every few months, but yes it is more productive to tactfully offer alternatives if you don't happen to agree with the prevailing opinion of a thread.

We get tired of reading the same inane shit again and again though. Probably like everyone gets tired of reading our replies to these threads again and again. Just like some people gets tired of reading anyones replies again and again. 7 years of the same drivel makes you more or less know people and thus everything becomes cliche and predictable.

evil circle

osterzone touched me inappropriately.

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Originally posted by osterzone You have to acknowledge a problem before you can fix it.

Given this is the billionth thread of its kind, I'd say the "problem" has firmly been acknowledged. Now what are you going to do about it?

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Originally posted by osterzone It doesn't matter what track/genre you post about, you're going to get 2-3 trolls per thread going "this is so bad " or "this DJ is a joke now compared to what he used to be".

This is also complete nonsense. There are plenty of threads about tracks from many genres that don't get trolled like that. You just never click on them. And this is the thing - it's always the same group of people who listen to the same type of music who make these complaint threads. Plenty of people (including you) have endlessly trolled about genres they don't like, such as minimal or tech house, but nobody makes these pathetic complaints threads about it. Man the fuck up, son.

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Originally posted by floyd741 So say someone posts a track, and someone says "that's not good, check this out". So the OP checks out the track and hey, its a pretty cool track.

But that doesn't happen most of the times. Also just few people tell what they do like about a track, even if they in general don't like it for other reasons.
People who don't like e.g. uplifting at all, post that other uplifting tracks suck, but don't mention they don't like uplifting in general.
To me it does make a difference:

That track sucks.

vs.

That track sucks, because I don't like any uplifting.

vs.

That track sucks, even for an uplifting track which I don't like in general.

Some people do give their opinion and even can put their personal taste aside.

Maybe if we all just got to know each other better, we could be more accepting of each others' tastes

Unless you like tech house, then you're not worth knowing.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Maybe if we all just got to know each other better, we could be more accepting of each others' tastes Unless you like tech house, then you're not worth knowing.

Are you sure you put that smiley at the right line their?

That doesn't really help you getting any serious replies in your thread I would think.

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Originally posted by Redd no problem with this forum, except people who click submit threads way too often. as I've expressed before, the "haters" here makes this place good. but then again that's my opinion.

I agree in the sense that I love how this place is very straightforward and open. One doesn't need to sugarcoat his/her opinions or posts in any way unlike in so many other boards with far stricter moderation policy.

Then again there are people who really, really, really, really need to get off their high horse. It's just so very tiresome when you know exactly what certain people post even before you click on the thread. Then again, nobody's forcing us to read their posts in the first place...

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Then again there are people who really, really, really, really need to get off their high horse.

lol... You opened up a can of worms with this one

let this thread continue as a trollcall?

I got nothing yet

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Ah yes, the classic hissyfit over having your tastes in music insulted. Give it another 5 years, and you'll be posting detailed anecdotes about your "crackhead adventures", listening to plodding house music and look down your nose at people who like trance, just like everyone else. Then this thread will be an amusing point of reference.

if I actually showed sigs these days, that'd be it right now, JH

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I agree in the sense that I love how this place is very straightforward and open. One doesn't need to sugarcoat his/her opinions or posts in any way unlike in so many other boards with far stricter moderation policy. Then again there are people who really, really, really, really need to get off their high horse. It's just so very tiresome when you know exactly what certain people post even before you click on the thread. Then again, nobody's forcing us to read their posts in the first place...

I'm going to express this even though I'm drunk out of my mind at the moment. I know your post isn't directed at me, but here goes. What you (yes even you Nic) view as high horse is in very many cases is NOT high horsery. It's just a difference in opinion. I more or less understand the definition of high horse as people expressing their opinion in a defensive manner. It's not that fucking bad.

Did we define high horsery? :P

No one is forcing anyone to read anything, but I like this place. I do not want to have to read garbage after garbage every time I'm here. You get this yes?

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Originally posted by Swamper I agree. There are some that are complete pricks with their responses and it's obvious they're hating life (or something) -- however, if you put a muzzle on them then you're accused of censorship and/or 'masking' the truth. It's a slippery slope... and one that has always been a challenge with moderating posts on TA. I don't expect it to all be a group hug full of unicorns and candy canes but the time some of you spend on writing a completely negative(almost useless) reply is baffling.

Too many threads in here degenerate into pure flame wars. Since my time on TA, browsing the Music Discussion and posting occasionally, I've witnessed maybe 3 threads foster an interesting discussion. The most recent of these that comes to mind would be the thread where nefardec and a few other posters argued over the term 'Detroit Techno' as it relates to a certain artist. I can't remember who. I learned a good deal reading that thread--but it eventually fell into flames.

It's always funny when a new member comes on and asks for music recommendations. If I see one of those threads before there are responses I laugh so hard. I can't help it. I think that's a shame because - yeah, they should've just used the search button and could've simply browsed some threads but still, it's a fair question. It is completely baffling, as you noted, how much time people spend on their negative (and utterly useless) responses. Looking solely at threads of newbies asking for recommendations this becomes apparent.

I don't think I've ever created a thread in Music Discussion because I think the flaming is worse than it is in the cor- in the sense that, when I post in the cor people will actually, occasionally, make constructive responses. Other times they'll respond with complete shenanigans but it's better than the elitist sentiment the underlines every thread in the Music Discussion.

I'd like to ask for recommendations - but I know better than that. That's what I'm trying to say. I'm much newer to the trance scene than a lot of the posters on here, obviously, and have been very open to discovering new stuff. I've even seen my tastes evolving a great deal over the last year to encompass other genres of EDM that I'm sure I could gain a lot more out if I had friends who listened as well or if people on here were more willing to be constructive.

The other day I was looking at some older threads on TA (through a thread on DJ/Producer drama on TA) and it seemed as though - as recently as 2008 - the mods would let threads go on but after a page or two flames, perhaps more though, they'd say something along the lines of "this thread had potential to be very interesting, but you guys have ruined it. closed"
Maybe they should start doing that again. It'd be too time consuming, I'm sure.

As well, if you read threads on TA from the first few years, you'll find that people were a lot friendlier. Those on other (much smaller) sites/forums, often talk about how TA is full of negative ppl or whatever - based on some of the replies people dole out in MD it's understandable to see that. What I see it as being is more so human nature that as something grows people want to carve out their own little niche/identity so as to not get lost in the shuffle -- for some, they accomplish this by being self-righteous pricks wherever necessary --- which unfortunately often scares off those with something legitimate to say (because they figure they'll get flamed regardless).

This was one reason we got rid of post counts a long time ago...but then people started being judged (as edm n00bs) based on their registration date instead, lol.

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Originally posted by Swamper lol... You opened up a can of worms with this one

I like to do that every now and then

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Originally posted by Redd I'm going to express this even though I'm drunk out of my mind at the moment. I know your post isn't directed at me, but here goes. What you (yes even you Nic) view as high horse is in very many cases is NOT high horsery. It's just a difference in opinion. I more or less understand the definition of high horse as people expressing their opinion in a defensive manner. It's not that fucking bad. Did we define high horsery? :P No one is forcing anyone to read anything, but I like this place. I do not want to have to read garbage after garbage every time I'm here. You get this yes?

Yes, well, "high horse" might've been the wrong expression here but you got my point anyway.

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Originally posted by Swamper As well, if you read threads on TA from the first few years, you'll find that people were a lot friendlier. Those on other (much smaller) sites/forums, often talk about how TA is full of negative ppl or whatever - based on some of the replies people dole out in MD it's understandable to see that. What I see it as being is more so human nature that as something grows people want to carve out their own little niche/identity so as to not get lost in the shuffle -- for some, they accomplish this by being self-righteous pricks wherever necessary --- which unfortunately often scares off those with something legitimate to say (because they figure they'll get flamed regardless). This was one reason we got rid of post counts a long time ago...but then people started being judged (as edm n00bs) based on their registration date instead, lol.

It's funny though - pretty much all of the TAs I've met at events/shows/whatever have been incredibly nice. That's probably the one reason why I don't mind all of the negativity here. Then again, a lot of the people I've met/befriended from TA here on the west coast are the ones that don't really engage a lot in forum discussion - just use it to connect for shows. I remember going up to SF to see Markus with 2 TAs, meeting up with 3 other TAs and all heading to Ruby Skye together. When we were inside one of the people I was with pointed out "oh that xxxxx from TA maybe we should say hi." A couple of us decided not to because he was one of the most argumentative people in the west coast forums but the part of our group that did say hi found him to be nice - he even helped them to get on stage.

Another example of this - I met, albeit somewhat briefly, Bas, Clovis, and Idoru - all are personalities on here to say the least. They were nice though - Idoru especially - and I remember him saying to me after I told him I was newer to TA "you'll see...everybody's just an ass hole on there..but we're actually nice people"

I'm sure you've had similar experiences. But then again, a lot of the most virulent posts on here come from members that don't really go meet up with others I'd think. When I first joined I briefly succumbed to the destructive attitude in one or two threads I remember - but once I met some people and found how nice they were I felt so stupid. I wouldn't want such nice people to think of me as a dick and avoid me at shows or whatever. Since then I've tried to be constructive on here and not try to step on too many peoples toes ha.

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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights Another example of this - I met, albeit somewhat briefly, Bas, Clovis, and Idoru - all are personalities on here to say the least. They were nice though - Idoru especially - and I remember him saying to me after I told him I was newer to TA "you'll see...everybody's just an ass hole on there..but we're actually nice people"

This is how everyone usually is in real life though. Some of us play personalities because it's the internet...it's not that big of a deal and the occasional flame war is fun for anyone.

The act of flaming is no different than getting into a disagreement over something with a real life friend, it's just that since we're not talking face to face we can get away with a few more "fucks" and "bitches".

Yeah, of course. Arguments aren't always a bad thing. There's just an underlying elitist sentiment that ought to be toned down.

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