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Posted by johncannons1 on Aug-11-2010 23:22:

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
It's spelled you're.

Now you know what irony means.


its the internet im not writing an essay for uni..

i mean really..
are u gonna start picking at ppl abbreviating words as well ?


quote:
Originally posted by Kysora
I don't think someone who sends Anjuna a link to Speedyshare when they have a very simple direct upload process should be calling me an idiot.
What, you think I'm signed to Anjuna? I've sent my stuff to labels and I've been ignored. Where our experiences differ is I didn't come here a month after to bitch about it.

I'm really not sure why you're calling me an idiot or telling me to fuck off, either. I didn't sugar-coat my post but I was being civil, there's no reason for you to attack me like that. If you're just going to attack anyone who disagrees with you or what you're doing with your music then you really have no business posting in a forum.



firstly i said i didnt know about Ajuna because of the uploader. i uploaded it just how they said directly on the website so obviously i DONT KNOW ABOUT AJUNA.

Secondly this is definitley not the first time this has happened I find this standard from this big labels. Thats why im bitching.

Thirdly i do think your an idiot because why would i be complaining about labels NOT downloading my track if i didnt actually send it to them.. seriously ?

quote:
Originally posted by Kysora
Did you even read their terms? You either blatantly ignored Anjuna's or didn't actually send it to a bunch of big labels,


chime out mate.


Posted by johncannons1 on Aug-11-2010 23:23:

Lolo
thanks for the wise words i might start looking into the more "self made" side


Posted by MSZ on Aug-11-2010 23:47:

oh yea tunecore... maybe you can get your friends to buy it. wait, why even use tunecore at all, just sell it to them directly.

you will probably need to spend money on promotion, and promo lists, and whatever else im missing. Usualy labels have contracts with these promotion sources, so its a lot better going through them. in addition, they have a fan base by themselves alone.


Posted by Bren-F on Aug-12-2010 02:14:

For the ones that say they listen to all tracks, yeah that's bad form, but as for other so called 'big labels', what Mr Mystery said is right. They get thousands of submissions a week - sometimes some get missed out.

Not sure on your past production history and other tracks you may have had signed, but think of it like a job interview. The guy with the more impressive resume always has the advantage. Not saying it is right, but that's just the way it is with some labels.

Maybe setting your sights to lesser known labels may be a good idea, if to at least get your name around a bit more.

Good luck in getting your tracks signed!


Posted by EddieZilker on Aug-12-2010 02:34:

quote:
Originally posted by johncannons1
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Posted by Kysora on Aug-12-2010 03:07:

quote:
Originally posted by johncannons1
firstly i said i didnt know about Ajuna because of the uploader. i uploaded it just how they said directly on the website so obviously i DONT KNOW ABOUT AJUNA.


Alright, thank you. You didn't make that very clear, I didn't realize you uploaded to Anjuna correctly.

My bad, calm the fuck down.


Posted by orTof�nChiLd on Aug-12-2010 03:18:

wow, there must be another way. i dont want this happening to me


Posted by johncannons1 on Aug-12-2010 05:12:

quote:
Originally posted by EddieZilker



Posted by orTof�nChiLd on Aug-12-2010 06:05:

if don;t listen to every tune how did label's artists tunes get listened to. maybe they had a friend who worked for the label>?


Posted by sako487 on Aug-12-2010 07:06:

I say screw labels, work on making your songs better

once your ready, ship it off to all the labels

what you produce today might not be the same quality as what you produce a year from now, wait till your consistent.


Posted by EgosXII on Aug-12-2010 11:38:

Labels are slow and ridiculous... you never know what's happening

definitely a lot of disingenuous business going on among them, with all the net labels, and how the net has changed the shape of the big ones: Very infuriating promising to get a chance and getting nothing, i'm feeling you john:

It's not about getting released or not, it's about having fair treatment...

the other guys are right as well though: The world isn't fair, and business doesn't give a fuck about creativity: The worse thing about music is that creativity takes a back seat to sales...

ahhh production section rants


Posted by Raphie on Aug-12-2010 11:56:

I understand that, hence my question was, which aggregators give oyu access to Beatport. Since Beatport will not deal with 99% of the Digital Labels directly.

quote:
Originally posted by -FSP-
Beatport is totally different from the rest because they want to see quality or a name, or at least the image of one. So once you get on an aggregator, have a business plan, maybe 2-3 releases planned with possible remixes, artwork, tell them how you'll market and promote, tell them WHO supported your songs, etc, only then will they consider you. You might have to be on the smaller sites first before anything.


Posted by Dj_Nectra on Aug-12-2010 18:05:

I've had some success getting responses from labels (from small - larger); its about choosing the one that suits your style best and explaining them why the track would be a great addition to their label. A lot of the time they answer back; try sending it out to producers who run their own labels as well.


Posted by Viber on Aug-12-2010 19:12:

What's the big whoop about getting signed anyways???

I LOVE Trance\House and i don't know a single track from 2008+
Read the MD, nobody normal listens to Armada\anjuna material anymore.

The only good thing about getting signed a lot is getting the opportunity to be a famous DJ and the rich prick that you always wanted to be.


Posted by cryophonik on Aug-12-2010 19:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Viber
What's the big whoop about getting signed anyways???

The only good thing about getting signed a lot is getting the opportunity to be a famous DJ and the rich prick you always wanted to be


I disagree. I'm not a DJ and have no desire to be one, but like most musicians/producers, I would like to have our music heard by as many people as could possibly care to hear it. Getting signed to a decent label can get your music a LOT of exposure that you wouldn't get otherwise. Also, for guys like me who don't have the time or desire to heavily market ourselves, it takes away most of that burden.


Posted by EddieZilker on Aug-12-2010 19:23:

quote:
Originally posted by cryophonik
I disagree. I'm not a DJ and have no desire to be one, but like most musicians/producers, I would like to have our music heard by as many people as could possibly care to hear it. Getting signed to a decent label can get your music a LOT of exposure that you wouldn't get otherwise. Also, for guys like me who don't have the time or desire to heavily market ourselves, it takes away most of that burden.


Have to agree with this, even though I think you do a fairly decent job of marketing yourself. You might not have the channels you want, but you have the marketing gloss down.


Posted by Viber on Aug-12-2010 19:24:

quote:
Originally posted by cryophonik
I disagree. I'm not a DJ and have no desire to be one, but like most musicians/producers, I would like to have our music heard by as many people as could possibly care to hear it. Getting signed to a decent label can get your music a LOT of exposure that you wouldn't get otherwise. Also, for guys like me who don't have the time or desire to heavily market ourselves, it takes away most of that burden.


I understand that and respect that, but i still wonder: who listens to music by big labels?

The names "Armada" or "Anjuna" will tarnish a track for certain audiences (TA users for example).

And Again, i don't disagree with your point.


Posted by Dj_Nectra on Aug-12-2010 19:30:

getting signed to a label, especially one you associate your music with, is rewarding for some and others not. depends on the goals you set out; a track signed to a label can make it easier for exposure to bigger trance radio shows and make it easier for you to reach out to the public.

I know personally, I'd rather be signed to a High Contrast than Anjunabeats just because I associate myself better with that style of music. Like Coldharbour (or even its sub-label Coldhardbour Red) vs the larger Armada. But then are there are bunch of other start up labels, like Leon's brand new Streamlined, Marcus Schossow has his own, Tone Diary. There's plenty of opportunity out there, depending on if you feel the label is what you need in your music career/experience to propel you forth.


Posted by 4everX on Aug-12-2010 21:21:

I repeat...SOME A&Rs (or who listen the tracks) are NOT ABLE TO DO THE A&Rs...


Posted by orTof�nChiLd on Aug-13-2010 13:25:

i can't believe it some of you guys are suggesting not getting signed at all, wut is with you people? there must be some way we can get heard from these massive big shot labels


Posted by cryophonik on Aug-13-2010 14:59:

quote:
Originally posted by EddieZilker
...even though I think you do a fairly decent job of marketing yourself. You might not have the channels you want, but you have the marketing gloss down.


Thanks! I do my best to get the girls' names and faces out there, but I really don't network with DJs, so without a label, my only channels are myspace, youtube, etc.


Posted by sterilis on Aug-14-2010 09:56:

it is frustrating when you know a label hasn't downloaded a track. Although with discover records they are very good. John askew gets back promptly and before i got signed he replied about a previous track i made which didn't suit the label.


Posted by chrisspob on Aug-14-2010 11:56:

well i only just started sending tracks of to labels in the past 3 months and like the op i was gutted when they didnt even download the track, i would say out of 15 labels i got 6 downloads, i ended up sending my tracks to labels that support new talent but i did my homework and only sent them to smaller labels that where run by producers who themsleves have had success as producers/dj, it worked ive had 2 tunes signed and the label has managed to get my track to markus schulz for gdjb and the track has now had more festival plays than i can count on both my hands:0)

ive now been approached by big name labels too so watch this space ;0)

so my advice would be to consider approaching other labels and if your tracks are good enough they will end up in the hands of the big guns.


Posted by MSZ on Aug-15-2010 00:43:

yea dude good points, dont expect to start big. you have to earn that right. look at anjuna though, they recycle the same artists usually.

another thing is, connections! sometimes you have to be fortunate enough to have those, (attending an elite dinner party)(weird right? happens...) or... working for the label, i know that jer martin guy that had a single on anjuna does the A/R or something, works for them. I heard his tracks a year prior and they were very amateur like...


Posted by pointPi on Aug-15-2010 17:58:

I see no point getting signed to a label, since you will become its slave etc. Try to instead sell your tracks yourself (or give them away for free, If you want to see music production as a hobby rather than your living bread) through the interwebz.
I know, labels will help you get exposure, but you can always sed your tracks to all trance radio shows you know (especially ASOT and TATW, if you want to improve their reputition).


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