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I agreed with him for saying its what respresents the genre because to a non-listener or a casual listener thats what they will see it as. Neither of us said we looked down on the genre, sorry sir but thats just putting words into our mouths.

Show me some good uplifting trance, not saying there isnt any just ive never heard anything that really stands out

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Originally posted by Nightshift I agreed with him for saying its what respresents the genre because to a non-listener or a casual listener thats what they will see it as.

That doesn't mean it's a representation. It's a sample, yes, but anyone who believes this is what all uplifting trance actually is as a result of the video is being misled. My little rant was going off of the title "All uplifting trance is the same", not necessarily anything you've said.

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Originally posted by sako487 Show me some good uplifting trance, not saying there isnt any just ive never heard anything that really stands out

What kind of music or songs do you like? There's quite a bit of variety in uplifting trance and depending on what kind of music you like, you might enjoy one artist but not another.

prog/electro house mostly

I stopped listing to uplifting a while ago, just got tired of those big wood block kick and massive snares.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1-LydDdirU

one of my fav tunes. Kinda a scot project knock off but the break down is perfection. Alas this is old. I don't know why i'm the only person that seems to love everything scot project does.

some recent tracks of his all with uplifting original sounding melodies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7_M8exMgTo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDAIPe545So
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJp2qKOPAXA&feature=related

He is by far the most consistent innovative EDM producer of the last decade. I have no idea why nobody talks about him West Of Europe.

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Originally posted by sako487 prog/electro house mostly

Then quite honestly you probably wouldn't like uplifting, it just simply appeals to different things than prog or electro does. But, I'll try.

This is a pretty good variety:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsQXtPdOfXM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4VA8fq_g4A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmFCxv7qqSM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0geWwtjunzM

First one is calm and emotional, a bit like baeleric trance. Second one is much more freeform than most uplifting and very melodic, it constantly changes and avoids a lot of the repetition uplifting is infamous for. Third one is a bit more generic but very energetic with an awesome climax melody. Fourth one is one of my favorite tracks, it has a really energetic bassline and has one of the most serene breakdowns I know of in trance.

I imagine some of you might hate them but to say it's musically uninspired is a bit of a stretch, at the very least there's definitely more to the genre than Beatfulx's video would lead you to believe.

@M4B, honestly I've just been listening to the videos you've been plugging of Scot Project lately and I have to say he's definitely underrated around here. I wouldn't call him uplifting but he's one hell of a producer either way.

I heard Ramsterdam track a while ago that thing is a fucking beast of a track. AVB played that at monster massive absolutely tore the place up

serenity sounds great too, really chill, thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YeieYXcfJw <----good uplifting trance

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Originally posted by sako487 serenity sounds great too, really chill, thanks

Andy Blueman's remix is my favorite track of all time, probably not your cup of tea but the breakdown is absolutely amazing. He also did an orchestral mix of it, it has nothing to do with trance but it's still incredible.

Also yeah, I'm not a giant fan of Daniel Kandi but if you want examples of unique melodies in trance his tracks are a nice starting point.

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Originally posted by Nightshift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YeieYXcfJw <----good uplifting trance

disagree

I find this so fluffy and generic. If you can't tell the producer by the track, it is generic filler. It is like bad alphazone from 2000 except they actually had some good tracks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-ry2JqwIck it just sounds like bad that.

Guys like flutlicht, SHOKK, Scot Project, Alphazone pretty much took uplifting trance as far as it can go. I have yet to hear anything that even comes close to the original guys. The problem is for some reason , the western hemisphere has been inundated with awful british trance which has always been second rate generic shit.

lol this thread is gonna go no where fast. everyones gonna argue what their opinion is of what's good or best. It's all subjective. I've already givin my 2cents so im out.

probably.

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Originally posted by Kysora I imagine some of you might hate them but to say it's musically uninspired is a bit of a stretch, at the very least there's definitely more to the genre than Beatfulx's video would lead you to believe.

I don't think anyone took that literally.

No but I imagine there's a lot of people here who already prefer prog or house and after listening to something like this it'd go ahead and confirm their already shallow beliefs.

I know nobody's going to listen to this and assume every single song has the same arpeggio, but I can realistically see it discouraging plenty of people from looking further into a genre that's full of great music if they're willing to dig through trash like this.

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Originally posted by Nightshift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YeieYXcfJw <----good uplifting trance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Car...feature=related <---- much better.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad disagree I find this so fluffy and generic. If you can't tell the producer by the track, it is generic filler. It is like bad alphazone from 2000 except they actually had some good tracks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-ry2JqwIck it just sounds like bad that. Guys like flutlicht, SHOKK, Scot Project, Alphazone pretty much took uplifting trance as far as it can go. I have yet to hear anything that even comes close to the original guys. The problem is for some reason , the western hemisphere has been inundated with awful british trance which has always been second rate generic shit.

hey man dont you be dissin alphazone! then again i liked the uplifting german shit that was pushed out in 2003 era..man they were gud times

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUcZ8yOxjeI

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Originally posted by Kysora Then quite honestly you probably wouldn't like uplifting, it just simply appeals to different things than prog or electro does. But, I'll try. This is a pretty good variety: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsQXtPdOfXM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4VA8fq_g4A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmFCxv7qqSM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0geWwtjunzM

Those are really great "works", but i forgot them after a minute or so thats the problem with trance today. It doesn't stick.

That Reamsterdam track is not too bad though

These ones are more up my alley:

its always the same issue people who have been listening to uplifting trance for a long time (15 years for me)gets bored with it.

and the ones who are new to it cant get enough and will argue the toss with the rest of us who are not so easily pleased.

the ones who love it love producing it like kyrosa will put something into there work and it shows.

there's nothing worse in my mind trying to please other people or keeping up with the pros hence a wash of shit music

can't believe nobody has posted the overplayed cygnes track from claud9. i was lucky to catch it on its first release before AVB buried it, but its still a very very good production

But think about it , what would be a suitable substitute for the 'Supersaw Effect'?

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Originally posted by IceColdWater But think about it , what would be a suitable substitute for the 'Supersaw Effect'?

A combination of other not overused waveforms?...

and the labels always say ''if you send us tracks that sound similar to what our inhouse artists release it makes no sense to sign''

pffffffffffffff

I just don't see how the new stuff comes even close to what was done from

2000 - 20003

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VsfmveRY6I

And i'm not one of those people that only likes old stuff. I love alot of new EDM but it isn't in the trance genre. And I hate the old old EDM. But for melodic trance, the epicentre of good stuff was from 2000 - 2003 and the artists were SHOKK, FLUTLICHT, Scot Project and Alphazone.

and of course p anthem by dj passion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPHo5bIO75A

I honestly feel bad for those that missed that era and never got to go mega raving with those tracks. I guess what i'm saying is that it was an era. move on. stop trying to recreate it as you won't come close. It would be like recreating the classical or romantic era. You will always sound like some cheap derivate unless you innovate.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad I just don't see how the new stuff comes even close to what was done from 2000 - 20003 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VsfmveRY6I And i'm not one of those people that only likes old stuff. I love alot of new EDM but it isn't in the trance genre. And I hate the old old EDM. But for melodic trance, the epicentre of good stuff was from 2000 - 2003 and the artists were SHOKK, FLUTLICHT, Scot Project and Alphazone. and of course p anthem by dj passion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPHo5bIO75A I honestly feel bad for those that missed that era and never got to go mega raving with those tracks. I guess what i'm saying is that it was an era. move on. stop trying to recreate it as you won't come close. It would be like recreating the classical or romantic era. You will always sound like some cheap derivate unless you innovate.

It depends on what you believe.

it depends on whether you have some sort of aesthetic compass. There are some things you can't deny, the best romantic styled music was during the romantic period, and similarly, the best melodic trance was during the melodic trance period. I really don't think there is much to argue. I'm not saying it is the best trance as that is a matter of taste but if you want to talk about a particular era, then it is usually that era that has the best music of that era. When you try to recreate something that has already been done so well that all the artists that did it have moved on , its an indication that what you are doing is derivative and lame.

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