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Originally posted by shaw good choice. I've got a pair of an older version, and love 'em. Tanks, indeed. As mentioned, the low end is somewhat lacking, but I don't think I could go back to anything else by now, anyway.

If low-end frequencies is what you want, you should have gotten the 8050. You don't need a sub with these.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN They're nice, certainly in terms of detail but you're not going have much low end at all......

What monitors of that size have good low end? Same problem with the Adam's, the smaller model lack bass.

If you want low end, then get one of the bigger models

im shocked how deep the 8020s go though, but they are placed pretty close to the wall here. as nearfields i totaly recomend them as long as u dont need high levels, then u would need a bigger version like the 8040 which is probably better an all fields but i dont know.

you should also try Focal CMS50 if you are looking for small monitors. i havent heard them but they are getting alot of positive talk around the web.

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Originally posted by Timothy What monitors of that size have good low end? Same problem with the Adam's, the smaller model lack bass. If you want low end, then get one of the bigger models

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Simply not true. For one, the JBL LSR 2325p pack serious low end and are only 5inch, compact footprint monitors.

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Originally posted by Aurana So instead of starting a new thread.... because I am having the same issue... I thought I would post under here. I myself have been in the process of purchasing new monitors because my current set, M Audio AV40's are just not cut out for production in my eyes. Now I just visited Guitar Center today and checked out the KRK R5's, the Yamaha HS50's, and the JBL 2325's. Now personally I wasnt too pleased with the KRK's, so we will just X that out of the choices. Now the Yamahas, although I found them to be lacking low end monitoring.. sound very crisp for the mid's and highs... which I found to be very pleasing. The JBL's however had a very nice mid, and low range... but lacked the higher end In my opinion. So I am currently stuck between the 2 because they both have there good and bad points about them. If I could afford it I would probably buy the Adam A7's, but lets face it... my budget is pretty tight. I was wondering if anyone who have listened to the both of them could help sway me one way or the other. Reading here it seems that a lot of people liked the Yamaha brand. Just so you guys get an idea of the room I am working out of , its approx. a 12x25x12 bedroom, so its not exactly huge but not a closet either. Any recommendations would help Thanks a bunch! )

Er, but you already did start another thread about this a couple of months ago:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...d=&pagenumber=2

And again here is the same info.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...hlight=monitors

Basically, if you're on a tight budget or have in a small room then the LSR2325p are a superb choice, and IMO the best monitors our there for $400, period. I wouldn't say they lack in their high end, just they are not bright, like for instance the Adam's which are stupidly bright. I find them pretty well rounded with good detail through the spectrum.

The hs50's have very nice detail but just roll off so much when you start getting down to 100hz. For me, and especially with EDM, that's a bit of a deal breaker.

The hs80's are however fantastic - great detail, full spectrum response and nice crisp bass. The only thing is they boom in a small room or if having to be placed directly against a wall.

However I think that with your room, which is decent in size, and with the correct placement these would be an excellent choice.

The Gene's are great monitors but the smaller ones but don't listen to palm - he lives in a glass shoebox and uses tiny studio monitors as a farfield PA system, pushed right up against the wall

lol.

seriously though i know what i talk about. small room = small monitors.

but you have them like 3 metres away from your head.General rule of thumb is that if you aren't going to have any room treatment, try to have them as close to your ears as practical so no first order reflections cause phase distortion and the like

still the gens work great.

and now it looks liek this lol:



oh and another thing: for edm, the "perfect triangle" is not that important as alot of the elements should be in mono anyway (to be able to work in a club where the perfect triangle is never gonna happen). to mix in mono from time to time really help your mixdown imo.

at least get some cables that go down the tower. I thought Norwegians were big on ergonomics.

i put them close to the wall when not listening "close". this is temporary. and no norwegians dont know shit about ergonomics. thats the danish.

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Originally posted by nortek still the gens work great. and now it looks liek this lol: oh and another thing: for edm, the "perfect triangle" is not that important as alot of the elements should be in mono anyway (to be able to work in a club where the perfect triangle is never gonna happen). to mix in mono from time to time really help your mixdown imo.

That would be true if the entire track were mono and the club had a one channel mono system (then you'd only actually need one speaker), but firstly most clubs are actually dual mono and a lot more decent clubs are actually stereo.

The triangle lets you perceive the stereo field. Without it, unless you are the master of compensation (ask m4b) you'll never be able to accurately predict a true stereo image. So regardless of whether the club has a mono, dual mono or stereo setup, you'll never get the streo image right without an optimal listening position unless you're a ninja or fucking lucking (every time).

I've only ever met one engineer that can adapt to non stereo listening positions and make it work (he knows how to listen in stereo on a 5.1 system).

Bear in mind, actually being further away alters your perception of a balanced frequency spectrum as sound waves dissipate differently over distance based on frequency. In fact the level of dissipation (attenuation) is directly proportionate to the square of the wave frequency or f^2. That means it will attenuate (weaken) four times as fast when you double the frequency.

So what you are hearing, when you've made it sound fine at your "far" listening position, is probably a bright mix, because you're compensating for the upper frequencies that are lost in transmission.

See here:


Even at seven feet, there is a 5% difference in ratio - and this graph is based on 10% humidty, with the bass reference point being at 200hz and the treble at 2kh. Now if you go lower on the bass and higher on the treble for consideration purposes the graph would demonstrate an and even bigger ratio difference at even 7 feet (or just over two of your danish meters).

Seeing as EDM goes down to about 80hz and highs up to about 10-15k, I think you know what I'm getting at. And no, a club setup doesn't negate this, as they are designed to take a normal signal and represent it properly with distance factored in.

So basically, get a new apartment, or bolt that fucking flatscreen to the wall and get a proper production desk below.

so wise. When I built my million dollar studio/strip club, you can be my consultant. The only rule is that you must have a martini in your hand at all times.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN So basically, get a new apartment, or bolt that fucking flatscreen to the wall and get a proper production desk below.

thats my plan (both). thanks for the info about distance and freq-balance, didnt know that, could explain further why things are booming here.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad so wise. When I built my million dollar studio/strip club, you can be my consultant. The only rule is that you must have a martini in your hand at all times.

Throw a lifetime membership to the champagne room and I'm in. (Actually as I type this I have a particularly stiff Gin and Tonic in my hand).















er, I'm not joking

i'm sipping on a bottle of vintage veuve cliquot. I was going to go out except my girlfriend started whining so here I am. She insists on singing piano songs with a mic despite the fact she can fill a theatre. Fucking opera singers. She wants to do pop which i'm down because she could make alot of money but opera singers have this complex where they think they can sing anything because they do opera. I'm honestly feeding her liquor so she starts singing a little less perfect with some character. Not that I can ever say she doesn't sound great. Frustrating. Like she won't even change her pallet position despite being more pop and modern as it isn't correct. lol yikes.

Honestly palm

make a decision

home theatre or studio. Doesn't Norway subsidize shit like that ? Can't you have both ?

edit: home theater is of no interest to me, surround is bullshit imo, but i like to watch some documentaries from time to time so i need the TV.

i will do as requested by rann, get a production desk there instead of the stupid stereo/tv-furniture thing. i will also put it on the opposite wall which is solid concrete and hopefully less resonant. the wall u see on the pic is hollow and acts like a giant bass-enhancer.

oh and i will also get some art and paintings up on the walls, something really expensive shit, as requested by you m4b. thanks for all the helpful advices around here.

just get prints. girls can't tell the difference. You should at least have some munsch being from Norway.

i need to use my money on something so why not art? it seems like a good investment these days. and with art u cant really be unhappy as it sucks by default.

Thanks Rann... I know I made a similar post a few months ago about the KRK's... I just couldnt seem to find it to check the info out... But thanks for the heads up... I think I may go with the JBL's

Mackie MR8 I just got these about 2 months ago and I love them.

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