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Originally posted by TranceElevation He is simply mediocre. When you have someone who bashes so much the current scene you would expect him to bring something new/change. Nothing, again and again the same boring sound. Angel & Demons was a joke. Is really this to what trance should aspire?

ROFL

Have you listened to Johns 2001/2010 essential mix?

And the bit of psy added in makes the tracks more interesting and dynamic, and at times much deeper. Its what makes John stand out from the pack. I would hardly say his sound is dull and boring. He uses interesting bass lines, creative percussion, and NOT EVERY FUCKING TRACK HE CREATES IS AN ANTHEM (THANK GOD)

You just hate psy because its not as accessible and you cannot understand it (a good thing, keep all the sheep out), unlike unicorn magic rainbow trance which is a gigantic plur furry fuck fest.

I'd like you to name one trance DJ that is bringing the tunes more than J00F. Give it your best shot.

And ROFL at the suggestion that all J00F plays is psy, he was one of the most diverse range of tracks that makes the vast majority of other dj's seem boring after listening to him

J00f is a extremely good DJ but he is indeed getting praised way too much. His productions were never good for my ears and I dont think he has that many ideas to incorporate into a track hence the collaborations. His sets are definitely good though.#

EDIT: Saw the post above, I disagree that J00F is very diverse. He is playing more or less 4-5 genres in total and most of them blend together nicely anyway. I've seen and listened to far more diverse DJs out there.

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Originally posted by Magadansky J00f is a extremely good DJ but he is indeed getting praised way too much. His productions were never good for my ears and I dont think he has that many ideas to incorporate into a track hence the collaborations. His sets are definitely good though.# EDIT: Saw the post above, I disagree that J00F is very diverse. He is playing more or less 4-5 genres in total and most of them blend together nicely anyway. I've seen and listened to far more diverse DJs out there.

That is diverse for a trance DJ. All the other trance dj's seem to be playing 1-2 styles.

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Originally posted by djnitride That is diverse for a trance DJ. All the other trance dj's seem to be playing 1-2 styles.

the only style that 99% of trance djs play is the beatport trance top 20. why use their imaginations when beatport can tell them what to play?

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Originally posted by freakster the only style that 99% of trance djs play is the beatport trance top 20. why use their imaginations when beatport can tell them what to play?

Exactly. Hell, even Activa said it in his interview, he does not have time to sift through the thousands of shit tracks labels are putting out to find a couple gems, and instead uses beatport top 100.

J00F is diverse for a trance DJ, and I don't think he should be judged based on not playing style X, breaks, or any other genre of EDM because he is a damn fine DJ who is not boxed into a single style.

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Originally posted by djnitride That is diverse for a trance DJ. All the other trance dj's seem to be playing 1-2 styles.

True but he is still limiting himself. I would like to see him playing some goa like E-Mantra or Filteria, or possibly some really twisty darker psy (from what I listened and saw, he hadn't played stuff like that so far). There are a lot other different possibilities that won't make him sound too awkward like if he plays breaks or some very weird stuff. My idea is that he is getting predictable too.

It's hard for a DJ like J00F to switch his style so drastically. I'm sure a lot of people would be disappointed if they went to see him bang some trance and he played goa or something that wasn't his usual banging style. I see what you're saying, and he could try that, but he doesn't try to pass himself off as a psytrance DJ these days, so I can't see him doing that.

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Originally posted by ziptnf It's hard for a DJ like J00F to switch his style so drastically. I'm sure a lot of people would be disappointed if they went to see him bang some trance and he played goa or something that wasn't his usual banging style. I see what you're saying, and he could try that, but he doesn't try to pass himself off as a psytrance DJ these days, so I can't see him doing that.

Well, this is the bad part in most cases - how you pass yourself in front of the audience. The problem of getting too big is exactly this. You just can't get away from the stereotype the public has for you. You are J00F, you have to play prog trance/house.

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Originally posted by Magadansky Well, this is the bad part in most cases - how you pass yourself in front of the audience. The problem of getting too big is exactly this. You just can't get away from the stereotype the public has for you. You are J00F, you have to play prog trance/house.

If i recall, in his 2001 essential mix he dropped an Astral Project track (if you consider them goa)

I certainty don't think J00F is scared to play different styles.

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Originally posted by djnitride ROFL Have you listened to Johns 2001/2010 essential mix?

Heard enough of his mixes to tell you he ain't far from those he criticize.

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Originally posted by djnitride And the bit of psy added in makes the tracks more interesting and dynamic, and at times much deeper. Its what makes John stand out from the pack. I would hardly say his sound is dull and boring. He uses interesting bass lines, creative percussion, and NOT EVERY FUCKING TRACK HE CREATES IS AN ANTHEM (THANK GOD)

Than listen directly to psy instead of expecting some crumb from your "guru/god".

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Originally posted by djnitride You just hate psy because its not as accessible and you cannot understand it (a good thing, keep all the sheep out), unlike unicorn magic rainbow trance which is a gigantic plur furry fuck fest.

I probably love psy much more than you and infact I listen to it rather than praying some mediocre producer that totaly fails merging it with his crap.

Full psy is way more interesting and free than his boring attempts.

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Originally posted by TranceElevation Heard enough of his mixes to tell you he ain't far from those he criticize.

How can anyone not like his 2001 mix is completely beyond me. Personally I think it personifies everything good in trance.

His mixes are FAR from those he criticize, his production skills as well.

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Originally posted by TranceElevation Than listen directly to psy instead of expecting some crumb from your "guru/god". I probably love psy much more than you and infact I listen to it rather than praying some mediocre producer that totaly fails merging it with his crap. Full psy is way more interesting and free than his boring attempts.

Rofl, full on psy gets fucking boring. Its the same damn bassline over and over and over... Not that I don't like it, the sound is just limited and has grown stale. But track after track of full on? Common man....

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Originally posted by TranceElevation Full psy is way more interesting and free than his boring attempts.

It is useless to criticize, if you don't provide examples of what JOOF should produce, according to you, to actually make the claim he does.

Also what does being "way more free" even mean? Do you think he is forced by his followers to produce what he produces?!

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Originally posted by djnitride Rofl, full on psy gets fucking boring. Its the same damn bassline over and over and over... Not that I don't like it, the sound is just limited and has grown stale. But track after track of full on? Common man....

Hey, mate, watch it. I spin full-on sets!



I do agree with you, that's why you have to do a lot of digging to find good tracks that don't sound like 90% of the trash out there.

@TranceElevation: his crowds don't do psytrance anymore, so he has to do the next best thing, prog trance with a hint of prog-psy. His Psytrance Euphoria mixtapes don't come close to the real power of psy, but he provides the most accessible of the bunch. If he went up there and started spinning hardcore Twilight or Forest psy, a whole bunch of people would be confused.

I really want him to come in this thread and put you to shame, it's one thing to sit here and trash the man for making productions that aren't as cool as real psytrance, but he's going out and flattening dancefloors every week and you don't consider that. He's just playing what the kids want, and a majority of the time, it's better than the garbage the Top 10 is playing.

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Originally posted by ziptnf Hey, mate, watch it. I spin full-on sets! I do agree with you, that's why you have to do a lot of digging to find good tracks that don't sound like 90% of the trash out there.

I have nothing against good full on bro don't take that the wrong way. What I am saying is I like my basslines changed up. J00F drops some full on tracks, which I like.

I just dont like shitty full on track after shitty full on track (there seems to be alot of shit in the genre, just like there is alot of shit in epic trance.)

If the tracks are good, of course it does not matter but like I said, I prefer my basslines changed up and while I really like psy trance, I simply prefer what J00F spins. If that makes me one of those kids, then so be it, but I simply dig J00F's style whether it be his productions or mixes which take me to another dimension. Isn't that what trance music is all about in the first place

And I do occasionally listen to forest trance when the settings are right hehe

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Originally posted by djnitride How can anyone not like his 2001 mix is completely beyond me. Personally I think it personifies everything good in trance. His mixes are FAR from those he criticize, his production skills as well. Rofl, full on psy gets fucking boring. Its the same damn bassline over and over and over... Not that I don't like it, the sound is just limited and has grown stale. But track after track of full on? Common man....

I didn't mean the sub-genre full-on you dickhead! Was telling you that I'd listen to a psychedelic track than something from J00F that has only "some elements" of the genre. If you like something take all of it rather than being satisfied with less - and mediocre.

The problem here is that nowadays, if some famous producer/dj (JOOF, Activa) come here telling how bad is the current scene, everybody fall on his knees praying the god for telling us something we already knew!

The point is that if you're out there and spit on the scene you should be able to bring something different.

Now tell me concretely, in what the latest productions by Activa are different (more special) than the tons of uplifting shit we receive daily by the various shows? In absolutely nothing. The same electric bassline, the same (epic) breakdown, the same track structure, the same boring formula. At least if the melody was somehow special? But neither this. So Activa, J00F and all those acting whores can go and take it in their asses.

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Originally posted by TranceElevation I didn't mean the sub-genre full-on you dickhead! Was telling you that I'd listen to a psychedelic track than something from J00F that has only "some elements" of the genre. If you like something take all of it rather than being satisfied with less - and mediocre. The problem here is that nowadays, if some famous producer/dj (JOOF, Activa) come here telling how bad is the current scene, everybody fall on his knees praying the god for telling us something we already knew! The point is that if you're out there and spit on the scene you should be able to bring something different. Now tell me concretely, in what the latest productions by Activa are different (more special) than the tons of uplifting shit we receive daily by the various shows? In absolutely nothing. The same electric bassline, the same (epic) breakdown, the same track structure, the same boring formula. At least if the melody was somehow special? But neither this. So Activa, J00F and all those acting whores can go and take it in their asses.

Once again you FAIL

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Originally posted by TranceElevation I didn't mean the sub-genre full-on you dickhead! Was telling you that I'd listen to a psychedelic track than something from J00F that has only "some elements" of the genre. If you like something take all of it rather than being satisfied with less - and mediocre. The problem here is that nowadays, if some famous producer/dj (JOOF, Activa) come here telling how bad is the current scene, everybody fall on his knees praying the god for telling us something we already knew! The point is that if you're out there and spit on the scene you should be able to bring something different. Now tell me concretely, in what the latest productions by Activa are different (more special) than the tons of uplifting shit we receive daily by the various shows? In absolutely nothing. The same electric bassline, the same (epic) breakdown, the same track structure, the same boring formula. At least if the melody was somehow special? But neither this. So Activa, J00F and all those acting whores can go and take it in their asses.

HAH, thats funny because even before Activa came out and said that, I had played his CD "This World" over 30 times. You can check my last.fm if you really want, Activa is one of my most played artists. I also liked J00F before his essential mix, who would have known?

Activa makes quality uplifting trance, some of the only stuff I listen to. His music is loads better than anjunabeats, armada, flashover, and black hole all put together.

His music is different, your taste is simply shit if you cannot see Activa has his own style, a drive beyond that over other uplifting producers. His buildups and breakdowns are not over the top, his music more progressive. I like the techy elements in his tracks. And for uplifting trance, his music is much deeper than other producers. I would say his style comes much closer to a more techy and a bit more cheesy Airwave than say, Above & Beyond.

Talk all the shit you want, but you couldn't tell a quality tune if it slapped you in the face.

J00F Is the one of few that play/make real music, not pop and sell out like others.

J00F is not overrated. Troll!!

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Originally posted by trancedanne Once again you FAIL

Ha ha, I knew it someone was going to post this one. How predictable you have to be...

The only problem is that even this one is bad in its try. Basically a track from the 90's with today's music equipment.

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Originally posted by djnitride HAH, thats funny because even before Activa came out and said that, I had played his CD "This World" over 30 times. You can check my last.fm if you really want, Activa is one of my most played artists. I also liked J00F before his essential mix, who would have known? Activa makes quality uplifting trance, some of the only stuff I listen to. His music is loads better than anjunabeats, armada, flashover, and black hole all put together. His music is different, your taste is simply shit if you cannot see Activa has his own style, a drive beyond that over other uplifting producers. His buildups and breakdowns are not over the top, his music more progressive. I like the techy elements in his tracks. And for uplifting trance, his music is much deeper than other producers. I would say his style comes much closer to a more techy and a bit more cheesy Airwave than say, Above & Beyond. Talk all the shit you want, but you couldn't tell a quality tune if it slapped you in the face.

From what I could see till now you have a very low exigence from music.
And if you're ok with Activa's latest productions I can't really see why someone as you should bash the current scene. Infact I could name tens of recent producers that are equivalent to Activa.
Really, if is this what you're asking from trance so you should stop complaining and just enjoy what's been produced nowadays.

Or maybe you're doing it just to follow the bashing trend? Do you wanna feel a part of something that seems cool to you?

Pathetic.

Tell me now, how are these 2 tracks different?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHVh2pYbAQI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRnnvwIeP-8

That's why I'm telling you, if it's that what you want from trance, you already have it, so you shouldn't complain at all.

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Originally posted by TranceElevation Ha ha, I knew it someone was going to post this one. How predictable you have to be... The only problem is that even this one is bad in its try. Basically a track from the 90's with today's music equipment.

You are sad, you really are. You have no arguments whatsoever. Why did you say that Activa has never made anything like this if you knew about this track? And now this track is suddenly bad because it was made with todays equipment, you are fucking joking right?
You have not posted a single clip or anything that we can compare your taste to.
You dont want trance with psy influences, instead you want full on psy which is probably the most boring form of trance for the last 7-8 years.

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