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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle Oh and to however said that 38-40 hz is low bass.....you must be joking ??????? that is like mid range dude, My sub is capable of playing 25 hz signals and my buddy's home built sub can play as low as 23 hz.....that is guarenteed to shake the house.

No offense but that's pretty hilarious

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA


our hearing ranges from 20 to 20 000 kHz

subs on a general basis range from 20~50Hz to 500~4000 Hz

and by the way chances are your hearing is not perfect and you can't even hear at 20~50 Hz ... almost no one does .. due to age, excessive amounts of noise and music or what not , your hearing wears out and the frequency range you can hear lowers literraly by the day.

second point mids , if you have speakers that are 3 way , will cover the frequency range starting around 2000 Hz or so ....

so please refrain from dumb ( no offense ) moronic comments like :

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle Oh and to however said that 38-40 hz is low bass..... that is like mid range dude

trust me 38 - 40 Hz is garanteed to whip your mothers ass and the bed she'll be getting smaked on




j/k please don't take it personnaly

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle dude, I'm telling you, you dont NEED 250 watts of testicle crushing wattage because honestly, you will never EVER have them going that loud anyways,

yeppers 250 watts is a tad over powerful for home usage

and

I know this is totally off subject but I'm testing you

what do you think is the approximate power you find at concerts / clubs ?

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Originally posted by TranceGeek well actually overpowering would cause a lot more distortion and could damage the speakers permanently... underpowering will not really destort unless turned all the way... it's too bad home audio isn't as easy to bridge as car audio *shrugs*

tru, but i was talking about underpowering because jdat said underpowering won't do anything, but infact will couse distortion

yes bridging ownz

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Originally posted by DJ Teknique tru, but i was talking about underpowering because jdat said underpowering won't do anything, but infact will couse distortion

now there is one dilemma which you should not confuse ..

distortion at 200-250 while be un noticable ... you're running at 200 watts... minimal distortion and anyhow it's not even distortion if your amp has a good s/n ratio and low distortion

I'm not sure about what I'm saying at all ... but when you have an 300 W amp turned half way ... it delivers 150 Watts?
I am clueless about this ... it's beyond my theorical knowledge././////

what I mean to say by this is that really ... it's no big deal to underpower! ..... actually most home systems never have the equivalent wattage on both the amp and speakers ... and everyone does fine ...

Why do these threads always turn into arguments over the range of the human ear? This has been done before, and more than enough times. Let's get back to the original question, shall we?

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Originally posted by jdat No offense but that's pretty hilarious HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA our hearing ranges from 20 to 20 000 kHz subs on a general basis range from 20~50Hz to 500~4000 Hz and by the way chances are your hearing is not perfect and you can't even hear at 20~50 Hz ... almost no one does .. due to age, excessive amounts of noise and music or what not , your hearing wears out and the frequency range you can hear lowers literraly by the day. second point mids , if you have speakers that are 3 way , will cover the frequency range starting around 2000 Hz or so .... so please refrain from dumb ( no offense ) moronic comments like : trust me 38 - 40 Hz is garanteed to whip your mothers ass and the bed she'll be getting smaked on j/k please don't take it personnaly

Wow. Just wow. Your are either ignorant or just plain retarded. not hear that low? that's arguable but you will be able to FEEL that frequency. I'm not bullshitting you, if my subwoofer was to only be able to play above say, 30-35, that would suck. You would miss out on sooooooooo much of the music. Trust me. Just regular speakers will not even begin to approach the frequencies that subs can get and if the original poster wants power, he best augment his collection with a GOOD sub (read: not the one jdat buys)

I know that 38-40 is not mid but I was just comparing that to how non-impactful those frerquencies will be.
And you are a moron. Plain and simple. Can't hear below 50hz? That is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever heard in my life. I guarentee that if you had a frequency generator with you right now, you could hear all the frequencies to prolly 20hz (which is the lower limit for human audio reception)

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Originally posted by Trypsin Why do these threads always turn into arguments over the range of the human ear? This has been done before, and more than enough times. Let's get back to the original question, shall we?

well I didn't mean to get to this whole debate started


but he was saying 35 Hz wasn't bass but mid ... .

I couldn't let him say that

oh and jdat, the typical dB level at a rock concert is prolly in the range of 80-130 where 80 is like a pansy dashboard confessional concert and 130-135 is an indie band rocking it out with their amps turned up all the way.

However most places have sound by-laws so the sound techs have to be careful.

Well, I placed the order today for the JBL ND310's.. I had another good listen yesterday and compared them to some klpisch's and infinitys (i think).. I think the JBLs sound better.

I'm probably going to get the entry level yamaha reciever at 100x2Watts and use moster cable.. all this should be here soon i'll let you know how it sounds..

Thank you all for your help! ANYTHING will sound better than the crappy stero i have now.. TRUST me.. it's awful.

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle If you want to pay a lot and get amazing recievers, go with ONKYO or Boston Acoustic. Those are like the cream of the crop

if you want to pay alot, get a good pro audio amp such as something from crown, mackie, qsc, etc etc... and hook your mixer up to that

-mer

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Originally posted by wozzeck Well, I placed the order today for the JBL ND310's.. I had another good listen yesterday and compared them to some klpisch's and infinitys (i think).. I think the JBLs sound better. I'm probably going to get the entry level yamaha reciever at 100x2Watts and use moster cable.. all this should be here soon i'll let you know how it sounds.. Thank you all for your help! ANYTHING will sound better than the crappy stero i have now.. TRUST me.. it's awful.

ah that's great dude !
I hope you're gonna like your new equipement!

but don't forget... don't play music to loud... your neighbours might not like trance

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Originally posted by jdat but don't forget... don't play music to loud... your neighbours might not like trance

am i the only one that lucky in here ?
my room is on the second floor. i have my stereo all the way up all day long (except 5am-2pm while i'm sleeping + the time while i'm gone) and NO-ONE really ever complains to me...

others here also play music loud, i don't mind though, i just turn on my mixer and they'll close their windows before i'll get to warm up...

Sino

Believe me, MOST of my neighbours listen to trance (except some special occasions, two guys here listen to metal + another one listens to D&B)

Well I don't really like my neighbor, she cut the cable line digging a pool, so her

Anyway, the yamaha 5500 is only 75W per channel.. acceptable?

What are som alternatives?

What r good 250-500 watt amps (preferably without fans and noise)..?

I would spend a bit more cash and get one that is atleast 100 watts per channel. 75 MAY be a little on the low side.

You should be able to get a 100 watt per channel reciever for cheap.

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle And you are a moron. Plain and simple. Can't hear below 50hz? That is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever heard in my life.

you mofo can't read!

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jdat posted this and by the way chances are your hearing is not perfect and you can't even hear at 20~50 Hz ... almost no one does .. due to age, excessive amounts of noise and music or what not , your hearing wears out and the frequency range you can hear lowers literraly by the day.

your hearing wears out and if you bitch thinks it doesn't wear out... ok turn up your subs to start out with ! blow out your ears! make them bleed! you'll see if your hearing recovers and if it doesn't change!
pffffffffff

the moron calling others moron...

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle I guarentee that if you had a frequency generator with you right now, you could hear all the frequencies to prolly 20hz (which is the lower limit for human audio reception)

Flame war ! flamer war

Trust me not a lot of people can hear at 20 Hertz!

We theorically can hear from 20 to 20 000 Hz .. but some people can't do as much , and others do more ( yes that does exist !)...
( I had my hearing checked two years ago and I could hear perfectly from 20 to 20 000 .. and I made it up to 24 000 )


and the term : human audio reception ... hahaha that's funny

you guys don't have to be absolute about such stuff,

if you ask me, i can HEAR (i mean hear, not just feel) frequencies down to 30-35 Hertz)
now, below that point what most of us hear is just the distortion or the noise the woofer makes while it's way back and forth makes the rubber around it make... besides that noise, most of us hear NOTHING, we just feel...

now if someone thinks he can hear below that he must be some pretty lucky guy...

most of us have noticed on an equalizer that when extra low frequencies drive a speaker, some low also come with it, so it is more usual to listen to them to... if you guys are in a car (it matters whether you're in a car or not) and you turn the amp all the way up, while at the same time the cross over is set to 40Hertz you can listen to the bass a bit, but you also listen to the car plastics... if you turn the crossover at 25Hertz, you won't listen a thing (unless you have that super-hearing feature), you'll only feel the bass and the car plastics... but you still won't hear a thing...

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Originally posted by Sinonick you guys don't have to be absolute about such stuff, if you ask me, i can HEAR (i mean hear, not just feel) frequencies down to 30-35 Hertz) now, below that point what most of us hear is just the distortion or the noise the woofer makes while it's way back and forth makes the rubber around it make... besides that noise, most of us hear NOTHING, we just feel... now if someone thinks he can hear below that he must be some pretty lucky guy... most of us have noticed on an equalizer that when extra low frequencies drive a speaker, some low also come with it, so it is more usual to listen to them to... if you guys are in a car (it matters whether you're in a car or not) and you turn the amp all the way up, while at the same time the cross over is set to 40Hertz you can listen to the bass a bit, but you also listen to the car plastics... if you turn the crossover at 25Hertz, you won't listen a thing (unless you have that super-hearing feature), you'll only feel the bass and the car plastics... but you still won't hear a thing...

thanks for supporting my point of view .. cause that idiot Ray_finkle thinks he knows shit cause he can slam up the bass ... NOT ...

and may I add before that little cum sucker continues pissing me off , I have taken numerous audio engineering classes, so if you want to turn moronic on me ( which you've done so far ) all I'm gonna reply is theorical shit till you'll bleed to death.


jdat hates morons who talk about shit they don't know what they're talking about

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle oh and jdat, the typical dB level at a rock concert is prolly in the range of 80-130 where 80 is like a pansy dashboard confessional concert and 130-135 is an indie band rocking it out with their amps turned up all the way. However most places have sound by-laws so the sound techs have to be careful.

go read if you can :
and learn!

Wow.

Just wow.

You truely are the most ignorant person that I have ever had the displeasure of coming across. You arguments have opinions that are wrong and that contradict your otherwise somewhat decent original opinions.


So you are an audio engineer eh? Hmm....since when do they teach you at this course that parametric means left/right? Since when did they teach you that the human ear is capable (read: not just theoretically able to) of HEARING ANY FREQUENCY BETWEEN 20 HZ AND 20 KHZ.


Sinonick is right, Chances are most subs that you buy will not give ACCURATE sound that low, all you will be able to hear is the distortion but trust me, if you hooked up a frequency generator (take a basic physics course) you WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT BE ABLE TO HEAR 20 HZ UNLESS YOU ARE FUCKING DEAF!

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We theorically can hear from 20 to 20 000 Hz .. but some people can't do as much , and others do more ( yes that does exist !)... ( I had my hearing checked two years ago and I could hear perfectly from 20 to 20 000 .. and I made it up to 24 000 )

HEY LOOK EVERYONE! IT'S SUPERMAN!! HE CAN HEAR PAST 20 KHZ!!! OH MY GOD LET'S WORSHIP THIS GUY!
congratulations sir, you truely are a human that should be cloned for future purposes.

But I digress. 95% of the people out there can hear the full 20hz-20khz range and in fact, I would gather that there are quite a few people that can hear past those ranges. I can hear all those frequencies as well and I guarentee that I have a better handle on this science than you do even with your so called "audio engineering" courses. Playing musical instruments (and no i'm not talking about a synth....i'm talking about real, classical instruments) in an environment where PITCH is very important makes you hone your sense of pitch. And what is pitch? it's frequency. but i'm sure you already knew that Dr.Jdat the audio engineer with his PhD.

And go ahead buddy. Give me all this "info" till it kills me. Because after all, what do I know? I only excell in physics, play musical instruments, BUILD SPEAKERS amongst other things. I can handle it.

Also, Yeah thanks for that link to info that I already know of. That page says 120 dB for FRONT ROW TICKETS!!!!

DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CONCERT SPEAKER SETUPS YOU STUPID IGNORANT SIMPLETON?!q?!?!?!?!? OF COURSE YOU DON'T YOU FUCK! BECAUSE IF YOU DID, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT SPEAKERS ARE SET UP IN ARRAYS AND THERE ARE ALWAYS, ALWAYS DEAD SPOTS WHERE YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF SOUND, THEREFOR NOT GETTING YOU CLOSE TO THE 120 DECIBELS OF FRONT ROW!!!!

Honestly, leave this forum. Don't ever give anyone advice on audio equipment again. You are a failure. You will never succeed. even if you did have an audio engineer degree, noone will ever hire you. You are a stupid, pathetic waste of carbon and quite frankly, your fetus should have been aborted.

i think it's kind of cruel to behave like this in forums... people entering here are not to be disposed to such views. there should be a parental advisory in here or something...i'm sorry if i can't support someones point of view right now, you guys know more than what i do. i won't be the one to judge who's right or wrong (no one asked me to, really...)

i am only in place to share my knowledge, opinions and experiences with you guys (that's what forums are for).i also respect both your opinions but i would certainly not tollerate any bad behaviour.

so guys PLEASE cut the bullshit, you gain NO RESPECT this way...

and Ray_Finkle, what you posted was pretty cruel..

I don't really care for the arguing, it doesn't help me in anyway. If you want to do that, put it in another thread. Please title the thread properly, aka "Useless arguments where no one's opinions will change, and fact is no where to be found either".

In other news, i really don't know if i want this 75W reciever. *sigh* if i go the "amp" route, do i JUST NEED AN AMP? or do i need a pre-amp too?

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Originally posted by jdat No offense but that's pretty hilarious HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA our hearing ranges from 20 to 20 000 kHz subs on a general basis range from 20~50Hz to 500~4000 Hz and by the way chances are your hearing is not perfect and you can't even hear at 20~50 Hz ... almost no one does .. due to age, excessive amounts of noise and music or what not , your hearing wears out and the frequency range you can hear lowers literraly by the day. second point mids , if you have speakers that are 3 way , will cover the frequency range starting around 2000 Hz or so .... so please refrain from dumb ( no offense ) moronic comments like : trust me 38 - 40 Hz is garanteed to whip your mothers ass and the bed she'll be getting smaked on j/k please don't take it personnaly

Well, 40Hz is definitely not midrange, but I think he was joking in the first place It doesn't matter if you can hear the bass though, because you can FEEL it! That's why crazy low bass rocks!

I read this article in a stereophile mag many years back about this guy who made his attic into a subwoofer. He had 15 30" woofers mounted to the frame of his house. It was pretty sick until he turned it on and did structural damage to his house! haha!

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Originally posted by wozzeck I don't really care for the arguing, it doesn't help me in anyway. If you want to do that, put it in another thread. Please title the thread properly, aka "Useless arguments where no one's opinions will change, and fact is no where to be found either". In other news, i really don't know if i want this 75W reciever. *sigh* if i go the "amp" route, do i JUST NEED AN AMP? or do i need a pre-amp too?

i really can't remember who said that...

Wozzeck, if you do go the amp route, I am fairly sure that you will NOT need a preamp.

Also I am gonna say this, you're not gonna derive any more useful info from this thread. I would suggest you go to an ELECTRONICS only store and talk with a sales rep. He is your best bet.

Also, I feel that 75 is a bit to low. It is my experiance that you shouldn't go any lower than 100 watts.

Anyways, best of luck on whatever you get but follow my advice, go to a speaker/electronics store and talk with a sales rep who knows what he is doing.

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