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Actually caffeine is my favourite little drug. It gets me to fucking highs, to states I can't consider thinking any mental shit.

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Originally posted by kevin shawn I smoke alot of hash and high quality california chronic for inspiration Really helps me come up with melodies and rhythms. Going to take a break after this weekend I think been smoking waaay too much lately though and it's getting expensive!

Man I can't stand people who think they're high of hash. That's left-wing "adult soft contemporary" bullshit, if I'm not going to say it any better way. Alcohol or no shit, that's the way. No smoking some no-effect bullshit like cannabis. That's just fucking idiot.

Couldn't agree more (@M4B) with the "if people can tell then you're using too much".
And lyrica is an extremely underestimated drug imo. Very much a "social/smart drug", It doesn't make me slur/sleepy like xanax, I can't shut up on it but at the same time still know whats relevant in w/e conversation I'm having. Plus at higher doses it has a bit of an mdma feel which is odd.

I usually keep a nice little wealth of goodies myself (not as elaborate however). At one point I also had a white widow hydro plant flowering for about a year straight, we'd cut buds off it after a hard night out and it was quite the spectacle to look at the way it was all set up. After a short while though I figured it was too risky and chopped the bitch down. If someone opens their mouth its one thing to flush some pills, but a whole nother story getting rid of a 5 foot plant.

And I hear yah completely on not giving shit out to fiends. I had to learn that lesson the hardway cause they never fucking go away and have a truely difficult time understanding the word "moderation".

As said; alcohol is the "shit" you want to be on. Red wine, beer.


"Chronic", "Weed"; OH GOD; I've occasionally smoked tons of this shit and never found out what's the fucking hype about? When on alcohol, this shit doesn't get me anywhere.

Alcohol gives me ADD so it would be impossible to try doing any intelligent activity on it. I've had a 6 pack before and sat down to produce and kept getting up and calling people trying to make plans. I get very restless on alcohol and dumb.
I guess it just affects people differently.

Pot although I like more than alcohol, I still don't think is anything spectacular. I usually only smoke it after a hard night partying, when everyones fired up and can't calm the fuck down (who also have the tendency to go outside my house screaming like idiots). I just find when I have a bunch of drunk friends around, and am ready to crash for the night, a bowl will usually do them in pretty good. This way most of the time by when I get to bed, they're not being loud belligerent drunks calling escorts and keeping me awake. Its more to keep everyone calm at the end of the night.

Overall I still prefer quality pharms over anything. Alcohols far too sloppy, and too much pot makes you slow/forgetful. Not like theres no downsides to pills but it only usually comes when you can't control yourself.. which has definitely happened before.

Oooookey...but clean or dirty? What's most trendy?

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Alcohol gives me ADD so it would be impossible to try doing any intelligent activity on it. I've had a 6 pack before and sat down to produce and kept getting up and calling people trying to make plans. I get very restless on alcohol and dumb. I guess it just affects people differently. Pot although I like more than alcohol, I still don't think is anything spectacular. I usually only smoke it after a hard night partying, when everyones fired up and can't calm the fuck down (who also have the tendency to go outside my house screaming like idiots). I just find when I have a bunch of drunk friends around, and am ready to crash for the night, a bowl will usually do them in pretty good. This way most of the time by when I get to bed, they're not being loud belligerent drunks calling escorts and keeping me awake. Its more to keep everyone calm at the end of the night. Overall I still prefer quality pharms over anything. Alcohols far too sloppy, and too much pot makes you slow/forgetful. Not like theres no downsides to pills but it only usually comes when you can't control yourself.. which has definitely happened before.

WTRF are your parying acts like??

God damn.

I couldn't read the whole post, since you didn't think alcohol is nothing spectacular. It is, goddamnit. Stop using drugs, please baby? I personally don't care about people getting into fucking illegal drugs, like cannabis (cannibus). It just doesn't affect you, OR THEN I HAVE SMOKED SOME SERIOUS PLACEBO BULLSHIT.

It's all left-wing bullshit you've been fed. Either get some receipt drugs that affect your psyche or stick to alcohol. This grass bullshit doesn't affect you.

from a purely medical standpoint , per dosage,

alcohol is the absolute worse drug you can take. Pharmaceutical heroin being the best. There are absolutely no side effects save addiction which if you have access will not cause a problem. My sister administer's cancer patients doses of morphine that would kill the average person. The second least damaging drug I suppose regarding popularity would be GHB. Again completely benign but it has such a bad reputation because of retards that mix it with alcohol. The worst drugs are as I mentioned alcohol and uppers that put your body in a state of shock. So there you have it. Be safe. Chose life. Chose heroin. The problem comes when you don't have access to good clean drugs which is pretty much everyone.

Alcohol, unlike any other drug is a poison. Those myths about it being good for you are only around because people are so high strung in NA that had they not imbibed alcohol, they would have a heart attack. It thins the blood but this is only a healthy thing if you are already unhealthy.

This doesn't include the other mediating factor of addiction which wouldn't be a problem except that we live in a world where drugs are not legal. People die and get sick from heroin because it is illegal and they have no idea what they are doing.

I prefer a nice tea and champagne tho. The problem with morphine is that it makes you lazy as everything is fine. If you have goals you want to achieve, opiates probably aren't for you. This is more a social factor than health one. My sister knew a famous heart surgeon that had been using morphine for 20 years. He would inject himself in the operating room. He had no side effects and lived a completely healthy lifestyle. His story is different as he had access to clean drugs and knew how to administer them.

Using foreign chemicals is like over-clocking your computer. If you don't know what you are doing, which is most people, expect your system to crash.

So , like who produces and shit.

Fucking choose life.

edit. Even the thing this thread was about dirty and clean themes when started gets me high, is great.

insane

It's like any fucking substance you take could be good for you.

Scars for tattoo. Tattoo used to be a taboo a few years ago. Now making scars for tattoo is cool. Just think about what you put in your body. We are a generation, that's been predicted to live as long as 100+ years. Just fight evolution and medic shit if you ******s feel like your life is full of shit and not worth of shit. I really look down to people abusing their body deliberately (apart from cigarettes and alcohol).

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Originally posted by Lascodi insane

+1

Must be my age or nationality.

everything I mentioned was for leisure. Being sober is the best long term solution for getting work done but what I did mention regarding various chemicals is completely true. People have a completely false idea regarding what is good and what is bad for your body.

Sort of like people that believe in alternative medicine, homeopathy�. People just don't read the science journals or have any idea what they are talking about.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad Being sober is the best long term solution for getting work done

If you're a guy that's interested of life, being sober is the thing. Work ethics and getting things done (considering this is the 'Production Studio' and getting nice things done in you DAW) isn't getting high on pseudo-placebos like cannabis.

I just don't feel like it. IT'S just not right to me. It's a part of my work ethics, that is a big part of my private life too.

edit. It may be a shock as many don't care, but the "Crackheads alliance" in the c0r was absolutely shocking to me. I didn't think half of the fucking forum was using some shit. That shit is absolutely absurd to me, as stated many posts above.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad from a purely medical standpoint , per dosage, alcohol is the absolute worse drug you can take. Pharmaceutical heroin being the best. There are absolutely no side effects save addiction which if you have access will not cause a problem. My sister administer's cancer patients doses of morphine that would kill the average person. The second least damaging drug I suppose regarding popularity would be GHB. Again completely benign but it has such a bad reputation because of retards that mix it with alcohol. The worst drugs are as I mentioned alcohol and uppers that put your body in a state of shock. So there you have it. Be safe. Chose life. Chose heroin. The problem comes when you don't have access to good clean drugs which is pretty much everyone. Alcohol, unlike any other drug is a poison. Those myths about it being good for you are only around because people are so high strung in NA that had they not imbibed alcohol, they would have a heart attack. It thins the blood but this is only a healthy thing if you are already unhealthy. This doesn't include the other mediating factor of addiction which wouldn't be a problem except that we live in a world where drugs are not legal. People die and get sick from heroin because it is illegal and they have no idea what they are doing. I prefer a nice tea and champagne tho. The problem with morphine is that it makes you lazy as everything is fine. If you have goals you want to achieve, opiates probably aren't for you. This is more a social factor than health one. My sister knew a famous heart surgeon that had been using morphine for 20 years. He would inject himself in the operating room. He had no side effects and lived a completely healthy lifestyle. His story is different as he had access to clean drugs and knew how to administer them. Using foreign chemicals is like over-clocking your computer. If you don't know what you are doing, which is most people, expect your system to crash. So , like who produces and shit.

Could NOT agree anymore.

Alcohol is a shitty fucking poison just like you say. It rots your frontal lobes, devours your liver, fucks with your insulin/hormones, and is one of 2 of the only drugs I really know in this world where you can die from the withdrawals.

Just think about it JEO, alcohol withdrawals KILL PEOPLE, heroin wds DON'T. If I went to an emergency room in heroin wds I wouldn't be seen by anyone, if it was alcohol, its considered a "medical emergency" and I would get prompt treatment. Thats because alcohol is a shitty fucking waste for what it does to your body. Hangovers, serious cognitive dysfunctions, and its not even fun.

SURE it would be fun for someone who only has access to alcohol and ONLY alcohol, but as far as "fucking choosing life" alcohol will kill you wayyyy faster than most drugs will.

Not to mention alcohol causes irreversible brain damage when opiates do not. The reason opiates aren't legal and alcohol is is because 90% of the population can't control themselves with better drugs. Alcohol has a self regulating effect (hangovers, anxiety, feeling shitty) which opiates manifest only in withdrawals. Thats why someone with a half a brain is more likely to get addicted to an opiate, than alcohol (alcohol reminds stupid people to control themselves). Other drugs don't always do that, which is why you utimately need a brain to remind yourself, and not to fuck up your life before you figure out why not to abuse them in the first place.

People who don't get over addictions and general traumas in life collectively possess lower IQs, which is reason enough for alcohol to be the prefered social drug of choice. Dumbasses need to feel like shit after they drink otherwise they will never stop drinking. Smart people can abuse smarter drugs, with higher addictive potential (obviously because they're more fun) w/out becoming junkies, and w/out ruining their bodies.

Yes I said it, alcohol is the prefered drug of stupid people. Its ok to sip champagne/whine if its your thing, but getting drunk on purpose to "have fun" is straight fucking retarded.

edit: and exactly like m4b said its a liesure thing. Everything in life is about balance, and there are many more things in this world to live for other than partying. But when its time to celebrate, I'm doing it how I want to and not how society tells me I should do it.

Well, I could use cannabis, but I will not. It could be my morals.

I use alcohol once a week (about 5 litres of beer at a time, which can be a shock to you). I get a hangover, but it keeps me from drinking for the next 1-2 weeks .

I could have given a too tight opinion about drugs, as I couldn't give a flying fuck if my friend used shit. If you're casual around me on drugs it's fine. The thing is, I will never do it. And I hope I can stick to it.

Ps. I think we'd all agree on drugs, being the subject compression or melody or clean vs. dirty. Which I do think there is a fine line that separates them both, and there is a 'best of both worlds' that combines them both. Sampled and original, like the golden age of rap.

Rap, yes.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox But when its time to celebrate, I'm doing it how I want to and not how society tells me I should do it.

Well that's grand!

There are things I can see you're american from by not seeing your flag.

Above that, I appreciate your input on the Production Studio.

This shit belongs to the c0r guys let's just agree on compression and such.. <3

And YEAH, alcohol withdrawals kill people, but not people like me. Put alcohol in context of casual use. It doesn't consider abusers, as does not casual drug use consider drug abusers.




The main thing is: there can be a medical reason for why drugs aren't legal in most countries. But that's just imo

Yeh thats the thing is sometimes its hard to talk about drugs on an internet forum w/out coming off like a junkie (just due to the stimgas of it).
In real life most my friends are relatively level headed/clean cut guys who don't as much really mention drugs on any level. Its more or less just known whos into it and whos not, its casual, private, controlled, and by no means what I think most people would expect.

I'd say in reality 90% of them are strict drinkers, and its a much smaller few that really indulges in other things. But its never about "lets see how hi we can get" its more just for the experience of having a good time and different people simply prefering different poisons.
Either way as long as you're not in rehab heaving your liver up I don't really care that much what people do with themselves. I consider myself a responsible person but I'm still always somewhat a hedonist/epicurian by nature.

Isn't heroin withdrawal comparable to tobacco withdrawal? Well I've smoked for 8 years, and I'm 21. I'm finding it pretty hard to stop smoking. I can skip drinking any weekend.

Please don't flame, as this thread is now about the production studio members' drug (cigarettes, alcohol, opiates) abuse.

Yeh for the record heroin wd is NOTHING AT ALL like tobacco withdrawal. Its almost like the people who list the similarities between heroin and sugar, are there 1 or 2 similarities? Yes.
Does that really mean they actually have anything in common? No.

Heroin wds cause vomiting, nausea, lethargy, diarehea, tremors, shaking, muscle spasms, rls/kicking, pain, aches, extreme anxiety and depression which is THEN followed by an additional withdrawal phase called "paws", which is intense anxiety/depression that lasts for months and sometimes years after stopping.

Tobacco on the other hand I've stopped twice before, and both times the most I felt was just a tad bit of restlessness. Heroin is the second worst drug to withdraw from intensity wise (not healthwise), benzos like xanax/klonopin are ultimately the worst, and most dangerous imo. As bad as heroin wds sound a bad enough xanax habit will put heroin wds to shame.

And we can get back on topic now lol.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox And we can get back on topic now lol.

I agree with you.


I have a bias, as my cousin used steroids. That has given me an insight, that won't really give in in any circumstance.

But that goes under the imo-tag, and is highly off-topic in this thread about clean vs. dirty themes in songs.

I find it really cool if a really clean cut song has a really dirty sample that has been used in a not too abused way. Coming from a rap background, I feel obvious sampling can be used in a delicious way, not too obvious. It's just the thing that the producer does. Rap used to do it all the time, and it was "dirty".
It never bothered me, it was more cool than did it drive me away from the music (like the g-funk melodies straight sampled from funk classics.)

I could see it in edm as good as in rap.

And tobacco withdrawal has caused me to vomit too. 8 years of inhaling that sweet smoke. Giving it up all of a sudden; it's not that easy, but possible.
8 years of using heroin = I can't think of the user being even human anymore.

its hard to use terms like heroin without mentioning the purity and supply. Any street drug will be cut with adulterants that will increase the odds of infections, embolisms and overdoses. My only experience with opiates has been pharmaceutical so I cannot associate with the street junkie shooting black tar heroin. The one chemical I do think people need to educate themselves more about is alcohol. It is by far the worst drug on your body and mind. Withdrawal causes strokes more often than heroin. It is responsible for more deaths than any other drug combined. Now as I mentioned, I am a champagne enthusiast and that is about it but I drink perhaps a bottle or 2 if the night is interesting. People that drink 10 - 12 portions of alcohol more than once a week are really doing a number on their body. It is socially accepted but it is absolutely awful for your body.

I used to take 600 mgs of lyrica daily for my anxiety but stopped as I found a more long term solution. That drug is like drinking 2 bottles minus all the negative toxic effects liquor provides. The problem with these types of gamma receptor affecting drugs including GHB is that people use them to date rape girls which is fucking gross. But talk to any body builder who won't take anything bad for their body and they will only mention GHB as it is absolutely benign.

Even Benzodiazpines are just as hard on your body and mind than opiates and according to many studies just as hard to come off. I know this first hand as I've had anxiety issues my whole life and when I was doing my stint in hollywood not sleeping trying to get work done, it was my only refuge. It was a nightmare to quit. I would take Adderall ( speed) to stay alert and xanax to take the edge off. This is recommended for max 1 month. I did this for 8 months. I needed a month vacation but I honestly had no choice. I needed to perform. I was aware of the problem and was upset I had to rely on these things but Hollywood is a brutal place to work.

Anyways, as much as I ever talk about drugs, I am quite a proponent for exercise and sobriety with the occasional tea. Champagne on the weekend is fine. YOu don't tend to abuse things that cost 200$ a bottle. But I am older and wiser. I had quite a myriad of pharmaceutical substance abuses thru out my bachelors and master degree and my entry into my field. It is only recently with the balancing act of work and health have I recently been able to do what I have to do sober without anything else but a nice green tea.

I"m sure djRann can elaborate on the insane hours Hollywood likes to abuse their low level bees.

For a forum dedicated to trance I'm amazed you guys haven't mentioned ecstasy.

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