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Originally posted by sothis i dont care about spending money on the products anyways because i can get them for like 20 bucks at the company store.

yeah my dad got the same thing he got office 2000 for like 15 euros!! in the shop it's like 350 euros!

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Originally posted by TimeportE yeah my dad got the same thing he got office 2000 for like 15 euros!! in the shop it's like 350 euros!

Yea???? i got it for 0 euro... uninstalled the same day, what a shitty program.

I have been quite heavily into the warez scene over the last couple of years, I've moved on from it now though. I had a working copy of XP installed on my machine looong before anybody had come up with the name "XP" it was still called Windows Whistler back then... and I was using the full retail version for probably 3-4 months before XP was officially released. Therefore my penis is much larger than yours

You guys are right in essence though, Microsoft doesn't generally care that we are all using stolen copies of Windows (I mean who here actually went to the store and bought a copy for home use??). Yes, a lot of pirating does add up, but there is more money to be made from big companies than from individual users.

I believe my brother downloaded XP pro 3 months before it went to the stores.

I rather like it especially for home networking.

MAC OS RULES

I know this is gonna sound a bit out of places but please don't start a flame war

ok well anyhow I think it's in humans nature to naturally and excesively complain all the time ...

The worst part is NONE and I mean literally NONE of you will ever switch oses!

I personnaly am a mac user

and pc user

I started with pc and I probably will never go mac 100% due to the fact I can't get warez for mac it's like to hard to find ...


well anyhow ..... I had the rcp release of XP

I've never used it

my fav windows os ever was windows 2000

and don't forget mac os was the first!

windows 3.11 > mac clone
windows 95 > mac clone
windows XP > Mac Os X clone ( what a coincidence everything looks so similar and it comes out at the same time )



more power to you!
why don't we all go and buy copies of linux .... or BeOS which just went out of business


anyway
keep on keeping on !

1. i would rather stab myself in the eye and deal with crashes than use crappy mac os.

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Therefore my penis is much larger than yours

muhuahaha... if i only had a penis, mine would be much larger, since i could install longhorn (windows UX) right now on this work computer im typing from and none of you will prolly even see if for 2 years!

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Microsoft doesn't generally care that we are all using stolen copies of Windows

well, i just went to a windows UX team meeting at work a few weeks ago.. bill gates was the guest speaker. he talked for awhile about how they DO NOT like piracy, and thats one of their largest concerns right now. again, i believe that the new service pack contains stuff which lets them track if you are using a pirated win xp or not. so i dunno, either bill gates was lying, or you are wrong.

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(I mean who here actually went to the store and bought a copy for home use??).

i just did yo. went to the company store and bought a LEGIT xp pro version for $30 (US). and im not crying about that ENTIRE 30 dollars i had to spend to get a legal, licensed copy that i can get support and warranty on. shrug.

Bill Gates is the richest man in the world. The relative cost of the software he sells is not much. Just the price of materials, he pays off the programmers and other staff very easily with miniscule sales of his product. Windows products have outrageous prices, and most money comes from business buying hundreds of licenses from microsoft but only one software package. This is how he makes all his money. He must be doing something right if he is the richest man in the world, and probably just doesn't care about hackers because that's usally just people using it for personal home use.

outrageous prices? why is it outrageuos? think about what u get for the 300 bucks...... just because you are so "l33t" and can get it for free does not mean it is worth 0$


its worth every penny and if i wasnt "l33t" i would probably also pay for it :P


just because a company is rich does not mean they arent allowed to make more money!

Before you outright say a company sucks stop for a minute and think about what they've done for computing as a whole and how they've managed to allow so many components to interact with each other....

People will always bitch because they have nothing else better to do, sure there are flaws, but what exactly does Windows prevent you from doing that you really want to do? (And don't you uber-geeks start getting Linux on my ass because I'm talking about the vast populace and not the niche geek community)

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Originally posted by jdat why don't we all go and buy copies of linux .... or BeOS which just went out of business

You do know linux is free, and that you can download from www.linuxiso.org?

Or you can buy it for the low low price of the cd cost and shipment.

The only reason that i don't use mandrake anymore is that there're are no good games for linux, and i don't want to close linux and start XP every time i feel like playing a game.

And you can prays Windows all you want, but you can't ignore the fact that they're overpriced and unstabel as hell.
Agreed that XP and 2000 are stable but they're now where near linux or unix.

i'm using windows 98 for like 4 years now.. and i got it when i bought my comp..
i'm getting a new comp and i'll get windows xp..

why buy when you can get!

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Originally posted by sothis well, i just went to a windows UX team meeting at work a few weeks ago.. bill gates was the guest speaker. he talked for awhile about how they DO NOT like piracy, and thats one of their largest concerns right now. again, i believe that the new service pack contains stuff which lets them track if you are using a pirated win xp or not. so i dunno, either bill gates was lying, or you are wrong.

would you mind telling billy that i just burned a copy of my friend's win2k on a cd, installed it, and i hate him for being such a monopolist that still not enough companies support linux?

and don't you go saying that only geeks use linux. it's one fine piece of OS which is somewhat easy to use (unless you need shit like aol to tell you what steps you have to take to go surfing)

the only reason i'm not using linus is driver support. however, some companies already realized that linux is spreading and that they need to release linux drivers too. so in the near future, for currently they are working on it, when my USB drive, USB scrolling 5-button mouse, and IBM rapid-access keyboard are fully compatible with linux, i'm gonna be switching.

too bad i'm not gonna be able to use all those neat things like zonealarm, gozilla, etc., because those companies are MONOPOLIZED by windows....

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would you mind telling billy that i just burned a copy of my friend's win2k on a cd, installed it, and i hate him for being such a monopolist that still not enough companies support linux?

id like to keep my job, it pays quite well so i think ill pass heh.

random bit of information:

at the windows meeting bill also said how microsoft considers their main (and only) competitor to be linux.

all u linux n00bs dont know what your in for

unles you are already a linux guru there will most likely be feds at your door within the week after u install your free copy of linux

why?

simple. if u dont know what the fuck you are doing hackers WILL take advantage of you and use your computer to attack many other targets etc...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sothis [QUOTE]
well, i just went to a windows UX team meeting at work a few weeks ago.. bill gates was the guest speaker. he talked for awhile about how they DO NOT like piracy, and thats one of their largest concerns right now. again, i believe that the new service pack contains stuff which lets them track if you are using a pirated win xp or not. so i dunno, either bill gates was lying, or you are wrong.

ok you sound like your the closest thing TA has to Bill Gates, you said he could track us down to find out if we had a legit copy of xp, but does he really want to sue our arse!? i mean would it be worth it for Microsoft to do that and make its products REALLY uncrackable. cause when you think about it we're the reason for the monoplisation (is that even a word) of his company, because most people get Microsoft products for free or cheaply (YOU) and it is therefore the most dominate OS, everyone creates applications for them and don't bother with others like linux. So if he 'fixed the problem'of hacking and made it unhackable, meterforically speaking, than they'd lose big bucks... yeah i think im starting to answer my question now.

By the way, im a loyal windows guy but i don't think linux sucks, i think its human nature for people to think that if they don't pay for a product then it can't be good, and this is exactly whats effecting them from making linux a os that even big companys buy. Maybe they should do what Bill Gates does, put a big price tag on the product so people go "OOO, it must be good" make it really easy to crack so they can get it easily, then everyone will be making stuff for linux and we can have some REAL competion.

heh well im not sure specifically what he thinks...

i am going to an intern bbq at his house tomorrow, there will probably be lots of interns flocking around him but if i can get in a question, ill ask his opinions on pirating software

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Originally posted by Munken You do know linux is free, and that you can download from www.linuxiso.org? Or you can buy it for the low low price of the cd cost and shipment. The only reason that i don't use mandrake anymore is that there're are no good games for linux, and i don't want to close linux and start XP every time i feel like playing a game. And you can prays Windows all you want, but you can't ignore the fact that they're overpriced and unstabel as hell. Agreed that XP and 2000 are stable but they're now where near linux or unix.

I was being sarcastic saying people should buy linux ( actually they should like that it could become better ! quicker! )
I used to be subscribed to infomagic or whatever the name is of that place that sends all the releases every couple months or so ..

The reason why Microsoft products as a WHOLE will never ( maybe the future will change that ) be stable .... why do I allow myself to say that ?
cause they are in it for the money , they release the software before it's even been tested completely ! they promise release dates and they'll almost go by them, hence they release the software not "finished"

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Originally posted by Swamper Before you outright say a company sucks stop for a minute and think about what they've done for computing as a whole and how they've managed to allow so many components to interact with each other.... People will always bitch because they have nothing else better to do, sure there are flaws, but what exactly does Windows prevent you from doing that you really want to do? (And don't you uber-geeks start getting Linux on my ass because I'm talking about the vast populace and not the niche geek community)

RIGHT ON SWAMP!


no matter what subject : people will always complain and never be content

which is why my motto is : people are stupid!

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Originally posted by discitelli ok i see all your points, but the quetion still remains unanswered that whats stopping xp from finding out actually who the people are using these illegal versions, and then sending them a program on there next "update" that will screw everything up. C'mon, i mean these guys create this AMaZING software, and they cant even figure out how do what i said. nope, i'm not buying that.... sounds too fishy

Well this is how you do it... I have a 'borrowed version' of XP on my comp and they give you a total of 30 days er something like that to register with microsoft, by doing that (which is also manditory, or your system wont let you back on) they know your isp,and all that other good crap you had to fill out in the required parts. thus they know if your version is purchaced or not. the key though is the 25 number code you have to enter to make sure its leagal.

Now i dont know why they dont do something about stopping this problem, but like fly said there is ALWAYS an insider. now i look back on everything i just wrote and i dont know the pure point behind all that *sigh* its 4 in the morning. give me a break lol, and sorry for all the SP errors.

:TF:

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muhuahaha... if i only had a penis, mine would be much larger, since i could install longhorn (windows UX) right now on this work computer im typing from and none of you will prolly even see if for 2 years!

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well, i just went to a windows UX team meeting at work a few weeks ago.. bill gates was the guest speaker. he talked for awhile about how they DO NOT like piracy, and thats one of their largest concerns right now. again, i believe that the new service pack contains stuff which lets them track if you are using a pirated win xp or not. so i dunno, either bill gates was lying, or you are wrong.

Complete firepower!That must feel nice..!

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Originally posted by a-aplz and even with that it will be cracked. there is no such thing as un crackable software

what about kalli...online gaming software, it hasent...

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Originally posted by Dj DoomForce [QUOTE]Originally posted by sothis well, i just went to a windows UX team meeting at work a few weeks ago.. bill gates was the guest speaker. he talked for awhile about how they DO NOT like piracy, and thats one of their largest concerns right now. again, i believe that the new service pack contains stuff which lets them track if you are using a pirated win xp or not. so i dunno, either bill gates was lying, or you are wrong.

theservice pack about to be released for xp supposidly will require you to enter all new serial numbers to try and stop shit like this from happening... hahahahaha

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Illegal XP owners beware, Microsoft has quite a suprise planned Posted by: orig 07/20/2002 Microsoft is planning what could end up being quite a shock for the Windows XP warez world, and what currently looks to be one of the most amazing moves made by Microsoft since Windows Product Activation was introduced. Currently, Microsoft is in the works of completely rewriting the algorithm for the way Windows XP Corporate keys are generated, and is rewriting the code for Windows XP to recognize this new algorithm. This new code will be an added �feature� of Service Pack 1 due out later this year. At the present moment, an upgrade to Windows XP SP1 from Windows XP with no SP installation will not give any problems or errors about an invalid CD-Key on a corporate version of Windows XP. This is because the new algorithm feature has been switched off in SP1 upgrades. To get to see this new feature, you would have to slipstream SP1 into the Windows XP installation media and setup Windows. Once you�ve reached the CD-key, no current Corporate Windows XP key (none of the 75 that we�ve tried) will work, as they are all invalid. Even if a corporate key is managed to be found, the chances of it working when SP1 final comes out are slim to none, as Microsoft is rumored to �still be working on the algorithm for SP1 for Corporate customers�. So why is Microsoft keeping this a secret? To put it mildly, they are a bit perturbed that warezers have been able to exploit the corporate edition of Windows XP to completely bypass WPA. They are planning to keep it a complete surprise until SP1 final has been released and shut down as many warez users from using Windows XP as possible. They know if it�s made widely known what they are planning, nobody will upgrade to SP1 until an appropriate patch has been made. And as far as patches go, as far as we can guess right now the only patch that is going to work will be the ever popular "Reset" patch. If you slipstream a corporate version of Windows XP as you�re supposed to do, it will upgrade the algorithm. Note that the slipstream patches the DLL files which generate the CD keys, it doesn�t replace them. This is why you cannot slipstream a non corporate version of Windows XP and drop the corporate files in and expect the installation to work properly. Windows also checks for the DLL files version numbers and if they don�t match, errors will be created during install. It could be possible to find these DLL�s, replace the version numbers with those of SP1, and put them back into the installation media, but you�d also have to find a way to replicate the Microsoft signature on the DLL�s as well as the CAB files for setup to actually copy the files to the hard drive. The first thing that comes to mind when thinking about this is that the current Corporate users of Windows XP are going to have to get a new CD-key reissued for their versions of Windows with SP1. Microsoft has decided that the cost of current corporate customers having to get a new CD-key is less that what they are losing in the market of Windows XP being distributed as a corporate installation amongst warez users. Microsoft is also planning to warn those with corporate editions of Windows XP to not let the CD-keys slip into the mainstream. The EULA is going to be rewritten to fit a new type of �Corporate release� and it�s been rumored that if a customers key is to get into the market, Microsoft may take legal action against those consumers. Another rumor that is running rounds at Redmond is that Microsoft may actually include a type of �Phone home� feature in the corporate versions of Windows XP only. This feature would connect to a Microsoft server upon connection and deliver the IP address of the connected computer and what the Installation ID is. Before privacy advocates begin screaming, realize that if Microsoft was to want to do this, they could very easily make provisions in the EULA that they (Microsoft) have included a feature that makes sure the Corporate edition of Windows XP is not installed on more computers than it�s contract is made out for, and the computers IP address and the Installation ID may be transmitted to a local Microsoft server thought 128-bit encryption. No more information would be transmitted to the servers, and for more information, see the Microsoft Privacy Statement. It�s a possibility, as corporate versions of Windows aren�t exactly tailored for use by home and everyday users, so the EULA could very well be expanded to include such a feature. As far as activation goes on a legal copy of Windows XP, we slipstreamed our copy and it installed and activated without any problems. The algorithm for normal customers will stay the same apparently. So far, only the corporate version of XP gets the new revamped algorithm feature. It�s one less feature I can do without personally. It is important to note that Astalavista does not support the use of illegal software, the patching or cracking of such software, or the unlawful distribution of single-licensed products. Please, if you want software, just buy it. http://www.astalavista.com/library/...c/xpwarez.shtml

my 0.02 contribution

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Originally posted by TiestoInTheMix my 0.02 contribution

I saw that already and here's what I thought: What are us Corporate version (me, off a CD-R) users going to do if our version doesn't work due to this?

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