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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin In America, gun prohibition is politically impossible. Here, a large proportion of people believe in a constitutional, non-negotiable right to own a gun. And if the government ever tried to outlaw guns, they'd have to confiscate over 200 million guns by the FBI's own estimates. It would essentially reverse over 200 years of legal precedent. It would be political suicide. That's not happening.

Yes I know and it speaks volumes about your population and their mind frame.

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Originally posted by Fledz There's a tonne of statistics which support the prohibition of guns. From a practical view using Sydney as an example, unless you knew the right people to go through and then had enough money to actually pay for a gun, chances are that one of the first people you'd come across while asking would be an undercover Federal Police agent. Kind of off-putting for most of the population.

The problem is the US� gun culture is too ingrained in their psyche. Banning guns in the US would never have the same effect its had in other countries. The US has already lost the gun control war.

Hard to pry a gun from someone's hand if he thinks that that god himself wants him to have it and shoot people with it.

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Originally posted by Fledz Yes I know and it speaks volumes about your population and their mind frame.

How the hell do you think I feel? I live here... But I wouldn't mind owning an AK-47 just because I can...

'Bama gunna take our guns!!!

It's very fucked up. I'd rather nobody own guns at all, I'd really rather them not even exist in the same way I'd like for us to un-invent cruise missles and reality television- but that's not the world that we live in. And so I own a gun.

And I am glad that the resident owned a gun. You can espouse all you like that well, statistics show that banning guns altogether would have minimized the occurence of such an event happening in the first place by 86.923%, but the fact of the matter is that this did happen, the kid illegally had a gun in the first place, and the resident was adequately prepared to defend himself.

Though I'm sure break-ins never happen in other countries. Oh wait, I have lived in another country that had a gun ban and had my shit broken into. That's great.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On It's very fucked up. I'd rather nobody own guns at all, I'd really rather them not even exist in the same way I'd like for us to un-invent cruise missles and reality television- but that's not the world that we live in. And so I own a gun.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Though I'm sure break-ins never happen in other countries. Oh wait, I have lived in another country that had a gun ban and had my shit broken into. That's great.

Right, except that in other countries the one braking into your place isnt all that likely to shoot you back after you shoot at them. Also. not much of a chance that a father shoots his wife/son/daughter/grandchild after they sneak back home in the middle of the night.

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Originally posted by UWM The worst part about this is the residents of the state of Florida are going to have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars, and likely into the millions, for this crippled retard's special needs treatment in a penitentiary.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Right, except that in other countries the one braking into your place isnt all that likely to shoot you back after you shoot at them. Also. not much of a chance that a father shoots his wife/son/daughter/grandchild after they sneak back home in the middle of the night.

If somebody shoots back after you shoot them, you're obviously doing it wrong.

Also, why are people sneaking back home in the middle of the night? Do they live there? Don't they know that when they make noises like they're breaking in - in the middle of the night - they are liable to be mistaken as trespassers when they wake the head of the household, whom they should obviously already be aware is armed? I know my dad keeps a rifle by his bedroom slider/balcony. That is why I would not sneak over at 3am unannounced and fidget with his doorhandles/windows.

Look, I am all for extremely strict gun control/regulation. Arms companies unfortunately have massive leeway as far as state lobbying/economy goes though, so once more, that's just not the world we live in.

I agree, there have been horrible incidents involving private arms that could have been avoided had certain regulations existed or been enforced better, and I'd sooner watch every gun be taken away from private ownership than see munition stockpiles spiral even farther out of control. But that in not realistic in the least; as pkc already mentioned, private arms is already second competence in the United States, there is simply no feasible way to give everyone nerf bats and expect everything to be kosher.

So wat do?

My owning a gun does not make the world a better place in the least- it just brings me the peace of mind that having food in my refrigerator gives me. It's a very reptilian dynamic. Self-dependence is an entirely underrated thing though, until you've for real been in a situation where you wished nothing more than to have had an equal way to defend yourself.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On If somebody shoots back after you shoot them, you're obviously doing it wrong.

Sadly, theres a high chance of that. Not everybody who own a gun is an experienced marksman who can keep his cool in a high adrenaline situation: If the other guy has a gun and your first shoot doesnt kill or at least severely incapacitate, there are going to be bullets flying from the other end as well, and theres no way that that ends in a good way.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Also, why are people sneaking back home in the middle of the night? Do they live there? Don't they know that when they make noises like they're breaking in - in the middle of the night - they are liable to be mistaken as trespassers when they wake the head of the household, whom they should obviously already be aware is armed? I know my dad keeps a rifle by his bedroom slider/balcony. That is why I would not sneak over at 3am unannounced and fidget with his doorhandles/windows.

Well i dont know about you, but as a kid i used to stay out way past my curfew which meant i had to use my mad ninja skillz to get back in the house undetected. Sadly not everyone is as awesome in sneaking back in as i am, and being kids and therefore incredibly stupid it probably doesnt even occur to them that they are sounding like a threat and are presenting themselves as a valid target. Sadly, there have been stories like this (not over here, no guns) and i cant even begin to comment on how big a tragedy that is. Firearms are not very forgiving.


I realise that any change in the american gun control policy for the better is highly unlikely, hell even if all the law makers had a change of heart today and unanimously voted to ban guns it would probably still take a couple generations to sort the whole damn thing out, but the opposition needs to be heard again and again and eventually perhaps the general mindset might change.


It should probably start with shooting those "strict constitutionalists" who in the spirit of the 2nd amendment view Billy Bob as a well regulated militia.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On If somebody shoots back after you shoot them, you're obviously doing it wrong.

haha

Well I think tightening regulation is only one half of the solution. I'd like to see licenses of course requiring a mandatory set of safety/instruction courses that are out of pocket, but just the same should poor people be excluded from basic self-defense with that in mind?

Therein lies the other half of the somewhat unrealistic resolution: People do not break into homes because their lives are awesome. The kid in the article, for example- 17 fucking years old. Orphaned. It's not hard to step out of yourself for a moment and realize that his life was probably shit to begin with, and this one incident ended up costing him his physical mobility as well as his freedom. Was this the beginning of a possible life of crime, or the result of many bad choices, not all of them entirely his fault? Self-defense is a response to avarice, plain and simple. If there existed something to show people that a lawful existence is worth it- to provide opportunity for youth with so very little going for them besides drugs and robbery- I think that would do far more to alter violent incident than any prohibitions on the monkey tools we use to maim one another.

But as is, the most notorious social programs that exist in the US are just regulatory drug education that install half-truths to children destined for minimum wage existence. It's enough to make you wanna shoot people!

"Manatee County jail" lol...

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Originally posted by shaw Bradenton might just be the worst place in the continental US.

lol... dude, in high school I played basketball and one year we had to play against Palmetto High, the school those kids went to. We referred to it as "Palm-Ghetto" for good reason. My entire basketball team was white too... haha. During pre-game warm ups, a group of African American youths had taken the book from the scorers table so they could know our names, and started calling us out, saying shit like "Tim Holtz! Ay, Tim Holtz! We gonna come by yo' house! Lock yo' sista's door, bitch!" or "Ay... Ay Jason, duh blacka duh berry duh sweeta da joose!" I'm not gonna lie, it was kind of scary.

Manatee county! Don't live there -_-

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Well I think tightening regulation is only one half of the solution. I'd like to see licenses of course requiring a mandatory set of safety/instruction courses that are out of pocket, but just the same should poor people be excluded from basic self-defense with that in mind? Therein lies the other half of the somewhat unrealistic resolution: People do not break into homes because their lives are awesome. The kid in the article, for example- 17 fucking years old. Orphaned. It's not hard to step out of yourself for a moment and realize that his life was probably shit to begin with, and this one incident ended up costing him his physical mobility as well as his freedom. Was this the beginning of a possible life of crime, or the result of many bad choices, not all of them entirely his fault? Self-defense is a response to avarice, plain and simple. If there existed something to show people that a lawful existence is worth it- to provide opportunity for youth with so very little going for them besides drugs and robbery- I think that would do far more to alter violent incident than any prohibitions on the monkey tools we use to maim one another. But as is, the most notorious social programs that exist in the US are just regulatory drug education that install half-truths to children destined for minimum wage existence. It's enough to make you wanna shoot people!

faggot.

You an' me, Pip, let's MEET.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On You an' me, Pip, let's MEET.

Only if I get to be the big spoon.

I'll let you be the tongs.

Warms my heart to see two little sweethearts banter so. I love young love more than anything in this world. Nothing like looking at their white hands and soft hair, and knowing that they are not as good as they seem to be if one only knew. But boys of that kind ought to be whipped and well-whipped. A slap on the hand or a box on the ear is no good: what they want is a nice warm whipping. There's nothing in this world like whipping an unruly lad to teach him to not be talking to the other boys, a well whipping's a craft. I love it more than anything in this world.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I'll let you be the tongs.

call me

yeah nigga

it's a dynex

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On It's very fucked up. I'd rather nobody own guns at all, I'd really rather them not even exist in the same way I'd like for us to un-invent cruise missles and reality television- but that's not the world that we live in. And so I own a gun. And I am glad that the resident owned a gun. You can espouse all you like that well, statistics show that banning guns altogether would have minimized the occurence of such an event happening in the first place by 86.923%, but the fact of the matter is that this did happen, the kid illegally had a gun in the first place, and the resident was adequately prepared to defend himself. Though I'm sure break-ins never happen in other countries. Oh wait, I have lived in another country that had a gun ban and had my shit broken into. That's great.

I don't think this is a fair response. My response originally was directed at the people who would inevitably jump in here like in every other gun thread and shout "But I need my gun to protect me in case the government decides to turn against me, and against Osama Bin Laden who might be next door, and it's my GOD GIVEN RIGHT to carry a high powered weapon!", not at educated and logical individuals who can see the merit in the general public not owning guns, granted, as difficult or as impossible as that may be in the USA.

The sarcastic remarks add nothing to the conversation.

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