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Based on the comments from people supporting the Collective, we should be doing

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Originally posted by barbina i do NOT have down syndrome. jeezzzz stop spreading that rumor!

I didn't say slutty lesbian down syndrome chicks.

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Originally posted by Goebbel Goebbel thanks for explaining the pyramid scheme to us...considering they are illegal in canada, good job.

Indeed.

Is there anyone registered before October 2010 with something positive to say here?

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I didn't say slutty lesbian down syndrome chicks.

ohhh okay

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Originally posted by jlraudio as well as receiving candid feedback from established producers such as Ryan Wilock. (which is rare to get in this industry) JLR [email protected] http://www.myspace.com/jlraudio

Ryan is a good guy, but tell him he owes me a shirt..lol

This thread needs more Urban Cookie Collective

ill sign up if I can open for Low End Theory

The Collective!!

I don't see anything wrong with these guys trying to get some play time and opening for these other acts for free. Sure, it sounds like they work there butt off to get the opportunity but that's what you have to do to get noticed sometimes. Selling a bunch of tickets isn't that different than bringing in a guestlist to a club, something that all clubs want to see. If this situation works well for all the parties involved than all the power to them. It can be tough to get gigs for up and coming DJ's so any angle that works should be taken.

Although......I do find it odd that all these guys are posting from new accounts all of sudden and they won't say who they are!

There's a couple of TAs I believe are good for this.

I still think it's all about who you know, not what you know.
If you're an up and coming dj, go out to the clubs, make some new friends, find out who the promoters are and hand them a decent demo. show up to their future nights and continue to schmooze, you'll get an opening slot no problem at some point.
I think these guys are just trying to fast track you. Which is good intentions, but DJ's still need to get paid, regardless of timeslot. An opening slot wouldn't pay much, but you're selling tickets to a party that people probably won't even come to see you play at. You're still playing to an empty room, and you worked your ass off to make them money. You're open slot is basically just an incentive to sell more tickets. Talent means nothing at this point, or so it seems.

Not all the facts are on the table

Summerlover:

In direct response to your supposition that the AudioAcademy is profiting from the shows, you are incorrect. We've actually made a commitment to our team NOT to take any profit from our monthly shows for the entire first year of operation.

Further members of the Collective are paid for each ticket they sell. If they choose to keep the money they can. If they choose to invest the money in our learning seminars they can.

If you like, feel free to drop me a line and I'll send you the full contact information of all 15 members so that you can get a sense from them if any one of them thinks the arrangement is unfair or skewed towards the AudioAcademy in any way, shape or form.

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Originally posted by audioacademy Summerlover: In direct response to your supposition that the AudioAcademy is profiting from the shows, you are incorrect. We've actually made a commitment to our team NOT to take any profit from our monthly shows for the entire first year of operation. Further members of the Collective are paid for each ticket they sell. If they choose to keep the money they can. If they choose to invest the money in our learning seminars they can. If you like, feel free to drop me a line and I'll send you the full contact information of all 15 members so that you can get a sense from them if any one of them thinks the arrangement is unfair or skewed towards the AudioAcademy in any way, shape or form.

If you want promoters hire promoters. A Dj's job isnt to promote the night but to make people dance or in the case of an opener, set the mood.

With that said, it doesnt mean the dj just sits a home waiting to play. They should push the night as much as they can...but like i said...they are NOT promoters

Think Outside The Box

After reading this thread it really shows how unfortunate it is that some people cannot think outside the box. The Audio Academy is an amazing way to put on events for MANY reasons. I have been in the promotion industry for over 5 years now and some of the main things I have had to deal with is how to fill a venue, hire a promotion team, as well as how to keep the DJs happy. The AudioAcademy has come up with the perfect strategy for this. It is a team of DJs working together to fill a venue so they can then spin in front of that audience. Not only are they working together to fill the venue, they are working together daily on music production, remixes, studio tips, and exploring all sorts of music genres. Not only are DJs getting involved, up and coming indie bands are as well. This allows for different music markets to experience each others sounds. It is very rare that you would have an indie band crowd stick around for a DJ driven event such as Hatiras. But there were over 50 people who came out for the opening band and then stayed the entire night with a full room of people to have their minds blown by one of the top DJs in Toronto. This is a win win for all up and coming artists in the industry. Besides all the knowledge being shared in the group, experts are brought in to give them feedback on their tracks. The problem with todays industry is that all DJs are competing AGAINST each other to be the "best DJ in the world." This is where you have a it all wrong, The AudioAcademy has formed a collective of DJS to work TOGETHER to be the "best DJs in the world." I have witnessed the formation of the AudioAcademy and the collective of DJs since day 1 and I can only say good things about it. I have also seen DJs who joined 2 months ago (who weren't that good) and are now producing/DJing to a level where I would hire them for my events. I have been at all the events AudioAcademy is done and know exactly how they are run. If you have any questions please feel free to message me about this. I do over 4 events a week in the tri-city area and Toronto so have a lot of experience in this industry. If you are a DJ that wants to get a head start and your foot in the door, tired of local promoters fucking you for a dollar, and want the option to be part of something special the AudioAcademy is the way to go.

E: [email protected]

if you dont mind me asking, which dj(s) are the most successful of your academy program?

The entire thing is a scam and the more they talk on here the clearer it becomes.

As Brennen said a DJ's job is to DJ not be a promoter. Any smart DJ would promote himself anyhow to his friends. Working as a collective isn't a bad idea but this just reeks of scam. This seems more like a school for DJs then anything else.

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Originally posted by Brennen If you want promoters hire promoters. A Dj's job isnt to promote the night but to make people dance or in the case of an opener, set the mood. With that said, it doesnt mean the dj just sits a home waiting to play. They should push the night as much as they can...but like i said...they are NOT promoters

Couldn't have said it any better myself!
Summerlover also has a point, in a way, it's a bout who you know, not what you know. As long as you're going out and trying to make a name for yourself and talking to the right people the opportunities will come!

I've been preaching the whole DJ's shouldn't be responsible for sales thing and everybody told me it was expected for them to bring in ppl...

Now you're all saying what I was saying in the first place???

sheesh...



What happened to talent being hired because they were talented. Known or not...

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Originally posted by VDub I've been preaching the whole DJ's shouldn't be responsible for sales thing and everybody told me it was expected for them to bring in ppl... Now you're all saying what I was saying in the first place??? sheesh... What happened to talent being hired because they were talented. Known or not...

Promoters still expect DJ's to bring people. They just shouldn't rely on them for sales. There's a difference, small, but different.

Why book an amazing DJ that brings 5 people, when you can bring an average DJ that brings 100? I see your point, I agree with it, but you work in the industry, obviously that's how it works... or I'd be headling at the Guv by now!!

THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE THRILLSEEKA!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Mortyman Why book an amazing DJ that brings 5 people, when you can bring an average DJ that brings 100? I see your point, I agree with it, but you work in the industry, obviously that's how it works... or I'd be headling at the Guv by now!!

It's such a stupid thing but yah, it's the way it is these days..

In a perfect world the most talented DJs and Artists would also be the most successful, however in this Industry its not. Thats why you have celebrity DJs like Pauly D getting paid $20K for gigs, and other lame celebrity DJs getting huge bookings just due to their popularity.

I agree that it shouldn't be like that, and have been in the scene for our 14 years, and love DJs from all genres from seeing them at big raves, clubs or in smaller venues, and get frustated at times that I never get to see some of my favorite DJs perform in Toronto. A lot of the time its simply because no promoter see's a viable market for a successful event for that artist.

One of the best pieces of advice that was given to me a successful international touring DJ, who's been in the game over 15 years on this subject is that they call it the best sellig author, not the best written author. DJ bookings aren't always based on talent, but if you have talent and can create a following of people that support your music, then you will start to be successful.

Look at Joel Zimmerman aka deadmau5. No one had really heard of him 5-6 years ago, and he was probably trying to get gigs when he was producing DnB that wasn't that great, without any success. Then he starts producing electro and prog, with a new sound, and lets his true producing talents out, but his success is very much due to his savy marketing, branding and promotion strategy that had enabled him to fully differentiate himself in this market.

And to be clear we do have well known promoters working with the Audio Academy, so the DJs aren't the only ones selling tickets. With so many events going on these days, DJs are expected to promote the events they are playing and help to get people out, thats the nature of the business. If you want to play a gig where you don't have to worry about promoting as much, then you can play an all night small lounge or bar by yourself for 4-5 hours for $150, without any headliner playing after you. Which I have done before, and can be good for building up DJ experience early on, but not great if you want to become an artist.

Just my 2 cents

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Originally posted by jlraudio

How many alt's do you have?

Mortyman, what do you mean by alt's?

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Originally posted by Mortyman How many alt's do you have?

I don't think it is ..good guy, good d.j too,

spun @ footwork a few of times

Yep no Alts bro, literally just signed up on the forum today to pass along my positive experiences so far with the collective. We are looking to add upcoming talented DJs and producers to our crew, which is the whole point of this posting.

Thanks again Shaya for the pics from my gigs @ FW....hopefully will see ya again soon at the Guv or at FW....and I will let Ryan know he has your shirt...haha

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