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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Personally, I think these sites should be shut down and should be illegal.

...why?

I'd be pretty freggin pissed if I were him too

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Random Joe Uploader won't bother with that, though.

The whole idea is that these sites should force them to, especially if it's a file format such as MP3. There are countermeasures that come to mind - if the site reads the file-name before uploading it could ban uploads of artists added to a database and verified. So if the filename contains the word Funkagenda it'll be barred.

You might suggest that pirates will simply rename the file to fool the site, but most piracy for these things comes through Google, and if the artist is mis-spelled or disguised, all those searches for "Funkagenda album rapidshare" will draw blanks, thus drastically reducing illegal usage of the website.

None of the sites will do this until they're forced, because it's not in their commercial interests. However, if there's significant legal pressure from the recording industry they may have to. Funkagenda shouting on Twitter may look impotent and whiny, but he has thousands of followers. His Twitter feed is now being copy-pasted onto countless other outlets, such as this thread. A lot of people are going to read about this incident quite quickly. It might prove to be a considerably more effective way of kick-starting action than simply emailing a few people, especially if Funkagenda can't afford the legal fees by himself.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The whole idea is that these sites should force them to, especially if it's a file format such as MP3.

Yeah, but I was trying to say that forcing would most likely drive away a lot of legit users who don't want to jump through hoops as well.

These kinds of sites definitely need stricter policies (and actually enforce them) but I don't really know how they could do that without losing the functionality of the site(s).

Your idea of file name detection is good but it's only a partial solution, really.

no site should allow free downloading of music. It should be illegal to give away music for free unless you own the rights and it should also be illegal to accept uploads or upload music you don't own the rights to. Unfortunately, there are too many people who feel it is a right to have free music.

i like this corruption and hypocrisy. reminds me of old country.

i think it's a bad idea to close these type of sites because they are great for things like mix sharing and track id. these boners better not ruin it for everyone.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced no site should allow free downloading of music. It should be illegal to give away music for free unless you own the rights and it should also be illegal to accept uploads or upload music you don't own the rights to. Unfortunately, there are too many people who feel it is a right to have free music.

It is illegal to distribute music that is not yours, but that doesn't make the site illegal. It's just being used in an illegal way much too often.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced no site should allow free downloading of music. It should be illegal to give away music for free unless you own the rights and it should also be illegal to accept uploads or upload music you don't own the rights to. Unfortunately, there are too many people who feel it is a right to have free music.

LOL cry about it

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I completely agree with him.....if you want to enjoy the music then support the artists and pay for it. Personally, I think these sites should be shut down and should be illegal.

it's a two way street. piracy takes away from sales but it helps promotion. there are a ton of artists that wouldn't be half as popular right now if it wasn't for illegal downloads.

Zippyshare is criminal, period.

Im fully behind this Funkagenda guy, hope he can achieve something.

BUT... Illegal downloading won't stop, there will always be new ways. It has to be about a mental change, where people see the value of music again. Now people don't appreciate music, its seen as something that is always just there.

On the other hand, its impossible to buy all music you want. I saw beatport has a single (ONE TRACK) up for 3.65 (wav/exclusive).

I'd like to ask Funkagenda a question... what if somebody buys 3 tracks from you and rips 5 of them from zippyshare. Is he a bad guy, or a good guy? Where's the border?

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Originally posted by RapidFire it's a two way street. piracy takes away from sales but it helps promotion. there are a ton of artists that wouldn't be half as popular right now if it wasn't for illegal downloads.

The artists can get the same promotion by doing free give-a-ways of their tracks if they want to.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery It is illegal to distribute music that is not yours, but that doesn't make the site illegal. It's just being used in an illegal way much too often.

If the site is being used in an illegal way then they should be shut down...no second chances. I would fully support large fines for sites accepting illegally distributed music. I would suggest fines in the tens of millions of dollars for a first time offense plus shutting down the site.

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Originally posted by Zharen LOL cry about it

if someone was stealing money out of your wallet I'm sure you would be crying all the way to the police station.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced If the site is being used in an illegal way then they should be shut down...no second chances.

And what would that change? The people would just move on to the next one.

if the US of Ass decides to ruin soundcloud for all of us imma go jihad in a macdonalds.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery And what would that change? The people would just move on to the next one.

if these sites are being fined millions of dollars it won't take long before people stop opening these sites....there will be no profit in it.

Oh, I give up.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced if someone was stealing money out of your wallet I'm sure you would be crying all the way to the police station.

it's not the same, that would be theft not piracy.

He is responsible of making shit music, with better music people would value his work, a lot of people still would download illegally, but what you can't expect is that people buy your tracks on a regular basis when you are tricking them, no originality, no production values , no noticeable effort behind the production etc... it is obvious that they get the money from gigs and that most of them don't care at all of the incoming, only of the popularity that productions give to them, being top 1 beatport general chart means money but foremost exposure.

Would be different if production was the big income, i dj and begun to produce recently, right now djing is like a 2nd job, this people should think that maybe djing isn't his main job yet. I don't expect big gigs internationally and thousands of downloads every day for what i've done and very few deserve this in fact.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced

Oh come on! record labels and money are the reasons mainstream music is SHIT! in every genre!

Music IS a right! artists should definitely earn money from their productions but i don't think that the more money you've got=the more music you're entitled to consume. life sucks enough as it is.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos it's not the same, that would be theft not piracy. He is responsible of making shit music, with better music people would value his work, a lot of people still would download illegally, but what you can't expect is that people buy your tracks on a regular basis when you are tricking them, no originality, no production values , no noticeable effort behind the production etc... it is obvious that they get the money from gigs and that most of them don't care at all of the incoming, only of the popularity that productions give to them, being top 1 beatport general chart means money but foremost exposure. Would be different if production was the big income, i dj and begun to produce recently, right now djing is like a 2nd job, this people should think that maybe djing isn't his main job yet. I don't expect big gigs internationally and thousands of downloads every day for what i've done and very few deserve this in fact.

so its okay to steal someones music if you think it sucks but if you think its good you should pay for it....come on.

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Originally posted by Viber Oh come on! record labels and money are the reasons mainstream music is SHIT! in every genre! Music IS a right! artists should definitely earn money from their productions but i don't think that the more money you've got=the more music you're entitled to consume. life sucks enough as it is.

music is not a right.....what the fuck are you smoking.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced music is not a right.....what the fuck are you smoking.

Of course its not a right, just like food,water and shelter...money is the central of our human experience and only people who have it are allowed to have the premium package of it.

it's not ok but finds some kind of justification, it's all about each owns morality, in my case i only buy music from people with great talent and effort that are unknown, i won't support economically Armin, Markus, Tiesto etc (i have isos 1 and nyana phisically though) because they've loads of money, but i've seen Armin and Markus live so i've been charged for their music in some way, well Armin deserved some money from me for his old songs but i deserve some money back for his new crap. And last song i downloaded from a top 10 dj was Sander van Doorn - Daddy Rock, ok this track was surprising and stunning for me, he deserved a download for his great work.

But since i am a student and i can barely spend 5-10� a month in music (excluding albums, from time to time i buy unmixed compilations specially) i can't support every artist, i chose to buy what really stands out from the rest, thats my choice.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos it's not ok but finds some kind of justification, it's all about each owns morality, in my case i only buy music from people with great talent and effort that are unknown, i won't support economically Armin, Markus, Tiesto etc (i have isos 1 and nyana phisically though) because they've loads of money, but i've seen Armin and Markus live so i've been charged for their music in some way, well Armin deserved some money from me for his old songs but i deserve some money back for his new crap. And last song i downloaded from a top 10 dj was Sander van Doorn - Daddy Rock, ok this track was surprising and stunning for me, he deserved a download for his great work. But since i am a student and i can barely spend 5-10� a month in music (excluding albums, from time to time i buy unmixed compilations specially) i can't support every artist, i chose to buy what really stands out from the rest, thats my choice.

so its okay to steal from some but not okay to steal from others.....what kind of drugs do you people smoke

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