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I see it @ Pearson once in a while..some of them get too crazy

with old people and children specially

The only big deal is that she was entitled to a private pat-down, and she didn't get one... because the airport doesn't have the space/facility/room/whatever to do it. Can't blame them for feeling victimized, but you certainly can blame them for making it even thread worthy topic, which it really shouldn't be.

And to compare pat downs from a club to an airport is just plain ridiculous!

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Funny how the Americans now complain about their rights being violated. They are the ones that after all wanted their government to do everything possible to prevent those "evil terrorists" to strike again. I say too little to late for complaning. watch this:

Would you rather have no security and get on a plane?
I understand overreaction but COME ON, there has to be some safety/security standards no?

(I can't watch that at work, later on).

Also why put "evil terrorists" in brackets? :s
People are out to hurt and seriously damage the free world...sometimes I think you post on here as though that's not true.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Funny how the Americans now complain about their rights being violated. They are the ones that after all wanted their government to do everything possible to prevent those "evil terrorists" to strike again. I say too little to late for complaning.

LOL here we go.

Every discussion with you can be summed up thusly: I hate America and/or I hate Israel.

As for the topic in discussion; I'm all for a thorough inspection when boarding a plane. I've been patted down several times and I have been randomly selected as well. Sure it's a nuisance, but I like knowing that measures are being taken to ensure security.

Also,

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced If you don't want to be thoroughly searched then don't fly....pretty simple answer.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Would you rather have no security and get on a plane? I understand overreaction but COME ON, there has to be some safety/security standards no?

Thera is no win scenerio here sadly. If You stop all the search something might happen and then we complain why didn our government do anything. If we let the government to do what it wants in order to protect us then we'll just have to stfu and just let them even if we dont like what they are doing.
At the same time I shouldnt have to feel like I'm a god damn criminal when I travel and get harassed by the Airport security. They do cross the line and they know they can get away with it.

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Also why put "evil terrorists" in brackets? :s People are out to hurt and seriously damage the free world...sometimes I think you post on here as though that's not true.

Because I'm sick and tired of that term and I see it as nothing but abuse of rights. War on terror has cost us billions and has killed many innocent poeple around the world. it is a huge Propaganda and nothing but fear mongering and it is not working since there is still terrorism happening around the world.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie LOL here we go. Every discussion with you can be summed up thusly: I hate America and/or I hate Israel.

whats your postition in this matter? do you have anything useful to say?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Thera is no win scenerio here sadly. If You stop all the search something might happen and then we complain why didn our government do anything. If we let the government to do what it wants in order to protect us then we'll just have to stfu and just let them even if we dont like what they are doing. At the same time I shouldnt have to feel like I'm a god damn criminal when I travel and get harassed by the Airport security. They do cross the line and they know they can get away with it. Because I'm sick and tired of that term and I see it as nothing but abuse of rights. War on terror has cost us billions and has killed many innocent poeple around the world. it is a huge Propaganda and nothing but fear mongering and it is not working since there is still terrorism happening around the world.

Harassment and security measures are not the same thing. Sure they do cross a line and they can only get away with it if people say nothing (as far as I know I think they'll be more lax about it in the future but at the same time still follow protocol). I doubt protocol means going through someone's pee bag, etc.


Rights vs security is what you're saying but not all of it is propaganda. There ARE legitimate security concerns.

To dismiss this is just nonsensical.

To say 'it's not working' and terrorism is still happening doesn't really do anything. At least the authorities are trying something.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced and as I said, I can see how some people would feel violated being searched like this. If you don't want to be thoroughly searched then don't fly....pretty simple answer.

Ummhhhhhhh!! Hard to swim over the ocean...
Don`t go you say?

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Originally posted by SkyHigh Ummhhhhhhh!! Hard to swim over the ocean... Don`t go you say?

they have these things called boats

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced they have these things called boats

Yes, boats are great when it takes weeks/month (almost) to travel long distances.

They should drop the pat downs and strip-search machines. I don't see what is so hard about scanning passengers with non-invasive explosives detection devices.

If all the TSA pat-down agents looked like this, no one would give a fcuk about their junk.




Just choose the x-ray machine, and you'll worry less about pat-downs. People have choices.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Yes, boats are great when it takes weeks/month (almost) to travel long distances.

then I guess he better book more time off work then

He could also just learn to fly and buy his own plane.....see there are solutions.....if you really don't like being searched then you can find alternatives....using these planes isn't a right.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie If all the TSA pat-down agents looked like this, no one would give a fcuk about their junk. Just choose the x-ray machine, and you'll worry less about pat-downs. People have choices.

Yep.

I love how there were pranks etc played on airport security. One guy shows up in a speedo, takes off his clothing, says "What, am I doing anything illegal?", "This is for security sake" etc. haha.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess I am sure that many people on this board have been more manhandled at clubs then the TSA is doing to people.

Yep, genitals rubbed many times.

LOL ^^^

some people get offended not because of the actual searching, but because it invades their dignity. especially in some cultures

There are better ways to do airport security. Like Israel.

Note that this (Israel's) strategy protects the airport itself, not just past the checkpoint. Someone could easily bring a bomb and blow it up in line at security.

Also, consider the unknowns in radiation from the new scanners. Ionizing radiation (breaks DNA bonds), that's concentrated on your skin (instead of dispersed throughout the body like an X-Ray). Enough studies have not been done.

I get enough radiation just being 30,000 feet in the air, I don't need anymore, especially flying 50x a year, and going through a full body scanner potentially every time.

The most I can do is opt out and get groped. I don't really care about people touching me, in fact I'll moan a little bit and close my eyes, just to make the TSA a little less comfortable .

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Originally posted by KStuff There are better ways to do airport security. Like Israel. Note that this (Israel's) strategy protects the airport itself, not just past the checkpoint. Someone could easily bring a bomb and blow it up in line at security. Also, consider the unknowns in radiation from the new scanners. Ionizing radiation (breaks DNA bonds), that's concentrated on your skin (instead of dispersed throughout the body like an X-Ray). Enough studies have not been done. I get enough radiation just being 30,000 feet in the air, I don't need anymore, especially flying 50x a year, and going through a full body scanner potentially every time. The most I can do is opt out and get groped. I don't really care about people touching me, in fact I'll moan a little bit and close my eyes, just to make the TSA a little less comfortable .

Isreal does a great job. Our security officers are not even in the same ball park when it comes to the training they get in Israel. It wouldn't be hard to implement the type of system they have in Israel but I'm sure people would be in an uproar when the cost to fly increases 100%. The increase in cost of training and cost of staff would be very high and that is going to get passed down to the customers. The cost to fly is already too high.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Isreal does a great job. Our security officers are not even in the same ball park when it comes to the training they get in Israel. It wouldn't be hard to implement the type of system they have in Israel but I'm sure people would be in an uproar when the cost to fly increases 100%. The increase in cost of training and cost of staff would be very high and that is going to get passed down to the customers. The cost to fly is already too high.

You're right, I haven't thought of the cost. According to this article, an Israeli airline spent ~$56 per passenger, while US spent only ~$6. Of course, we'd have to adjust for scale (Israel is tiny), and other factors. Thanks.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew I've been reading stories everywhere - a lady whose shirt was pulled down in front of the entire flight, exposing her breasts, a video of a younge girl crying in her mothers arms because the dude is literally sticking his hand down her pants, a boy with leg braces who was told to remove them, walk through the detector and he wouldn't be allowed to bring his braces onboard, while his parents kept saying that if he takes them off, he will never walk again (recovery after surgery) one of the blogs I read, the girl posted pictures freely available online of people's bodies who passed through the new x-ray machine - so basically you never know when your naked body will show up online it's a bit crazy me thinks :\

Personally, I think many of the the stories of the people getting manhandled are overblow. I think people see that the media is covering these stories so people are making them up. The TSA guidelines state that the agent can run his hand up the thigh. That is all. All the other stories I think are made up. With new rules there also will be some issues. With so many people flying every day you will hear of stories like that kid in braces story. I bet that was resolved without problems. The key is to stay calm and if there is something you don't understand, ask to speak to a supervisor.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/pat_downs.shtm

I do believe those naked pictures things because I have seen them myself and reputable tech security companies have shown that the pictures are easy to hack and download. That to me is lame. Give me enhanced pat down over the scan any day.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave I doubt protocol means going through someone's pee bag, etc.

come on. that could have been an accident. of course the "victim" will say different and that the evil TSA agent wanted to rip his pee bag open. cuz that is good for everyone.

Does anyone know if Pearson Airport even has those body scanners?

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