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it's a buzz when you find a wicked tune and you want to record it as soon as possible, the problem with being a dj/producer is that you rarely enjoy the music as much as someone who is just an EDM head you only look if it will fit well on your sets and create mayhem on the floor or if it is well produced or not... this is kinda sad, learning how to identify what cheesy and mainstream tracks are good is difficult too, you've to like them and is quite introspective because is probably against all your music principles.

you just need to get over yourself. There are plenty of room fillers that approach the asymptote of cheesy but don't quite reach it. If anything, I can't stand djs that play a full 2 hours of complete monotonous drivel. That isn't djing, that is self gratification.

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He does have excellent bone structure.

GOin back to the subject post :


I become a fan facebook ,twitter,myspace of my djs and then get UPDATES of new mixes and even PERSONAL messages telling me they have new album ,gig or special FREE mix @ soundcloud

And Dha falling my djs specially trough WMC I discover few of erik prydz and more )

I feel lucky here in Chicago they play a small intimate venue and always fallow the dj to ask him what was he just played , sometimes i get the updates others I have to wait until they're released ....

Beatport is a great source as well subscribing to podcast and sometimes here on tranceaddict!

i forgot another picking criteria Major Key > Minor Key happy feeling songs is what people look for when they go clubbing, don't want to cry like a baby because the chord progression was stunning. In short, think what would your woman friends would like, a dj has to play for the audience and boys often like EDM while girls are more picky (in a bad sense, i don't want to be sexist but most girls have horrible taste, they seem much more influenciable but the mainstream trends.

Rodri your whole post is irrelevant because you're a commercial DJ - i.e. a glorified jukebox. Everyone knows that these kinds of crowds are backwards when it comes to hearing new music, and only ever want to hear something they know and can sing along to.

If you want to try and introduce new songs to your audience, try dropping them earlier in your set, before peak time. Then each week, move the new song later and later into your set until the crowd starts to recognise it and wants to hear it with all the other anthems.

A real DJ only has to worry about playing good music; his crowd will appreciate the music, even if they don't know it. In fact, I prefer not to know any of the songs when I got to see someone play. That's the whole point of it for me.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Major Key > Minor Key

no wonder u suck.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Rodri your whole post is irrelevant ... A real DJ ...

A bit of 'matter of opinion' here

The fact is we ALL have to play to the crowd. Some of us will choose to focus on gigs where what the crowd wants and what we want to play are as similar as possible, others will prioritise availability of gigs / size of crowd / money over getting to play exactly what we want.

If you don't adjust your set to suit what the crowd wants, the chances are you're either shit, or you are doing it but don't realise you are.


And playing commercial gigs doesn't make you any less of a DJ, but it can (not always) restrict the creative input you can have.

I'd reword that 2nd paragraph to start "A lucky DJ ..." as that premise completely depends on the crowd, not the DJ and I think I've seen very few crowds where every single person was completely happy with every single track the DJ was playing.

i have been chosen 2nd best dj of my area (involving 4 million inhabitants) and i have a residency in a 3 floor club, yes, i must suck because i made my way to this playing commercial shit, if you don't want to follow my advice it's up to you i made my way to here pissing off all my principles but now i am at a good venue where i can express myself as i want and i don't regret. (This for Kenny Rogers) What's the matter with major key tracks?

I find more difficult playing to a mainstream crowd than playing for an EDM crowd, the only handicap you have with an EDM crowd is that you've to be technically as much flawless as you can but people don't give a fuck if you play house, techno, trance they only want to dance and to see a cohesive set. Here playing good music can be enough but a dj must read the crowd properly because playing good music isn't enough if becomes repetitive and you don't do something to fix this it will be compared as bad music.

I gave this generic advice because generally most djs play what they want instead of playing what people wants (i started playing uplifting trance, you can guess how much sucess i had when people only wanted David Guetta) but you can start commercially and make your way to what you want to play, big names start commercially if you look closely you can't blast your audience since the first minute because that won't work.

DJ sets. Looking for those rare tunes that never get played. Surfing through Audiojelly, Beatport, and Juno hours on end.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox The fact is we ALL have to play to the crowd. Some of us will choose to focus on gigs where what the crowd wants and what we want to play are as similar as possible, others will prioritise availability of gigs / size of crowd / money over getting to play exactly what we want. If you don't adjust your set to suit what the crowd wants, the chances are you're either shit, or you are doing it but don't realise you are. And playing commercial gigs doesn't make you any less of a DJ, but it can (not always) restrict the creative input you can have. I'd reword that 2nd paragraph to start "A lucky DJ ..." as that premise completely depends on the crowd, not the DJ and I think I've seen very few crowds where every single person was completely happy with every single track the DJ was playing.

Very well said.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos i have been chosen 2nd best dj of my area (involving 4 million inhabitants) and i have a residency in a 3 floor club, yes, i must suck because i made my way to this playing commercial shit, if you don't want to follow my advice it's up to you i made my way to here pissing off all my principles but now i am at a good venue where i can express myself as i want and i don't regret. (This for Kenny Rogers) What's the matter with major key tracks? I find more difficult playing to a mainstream crowd than playing for an EDM crowd, the only handicap you have with an EDM crowd is that you've to be technically as much flawless as you can but people don't give a fuck if you play house, techno, trance they only want to dance and to see a cohesive set. Here playing good music can be enough but a dj must read the crowd properly because playing good music isn't enough if becomes repetitive and you don't do something to fix this it will be compared as bad music. I gave this generic advice because generally most djs play what they want instead of playing what people wants (i started playing uplifting trance, you can guess how much sucess i had when people only wanted David Guetta) but you can start commercially and make your way to what you want to play, big names start commercially if you look closely you can't blast your audience since the first minute because that won't work.

You're so clueless it's a joke. Being chosen 2nd best DJ in a city of four million is impressive, well done. Armin is also the 'number one' DJ in the world, and look what a shit-pile he is. Casual clubbers have no idea. The people who vote on such polls have probably never heard of the best DJs in your city.

Now, don't think I have no respect for commercial DJs - there are a few good ones out there who manage to maintain some artistic integrity yet still capture the casual crowd. Given that you've admitted to playing Guetta, I'm going to say you're not one of them.

Your comments that it's harder to play for a commercial crowd are so ridiculous that I feel you're baiting me. Commercial crowds will basically accept anything with vocals and a catchy beat. 'Real' crowds aren't generally open to hearing any kind of genre, either. The genre scenes are highly segregated - if that wasn't the case, Richie Hawtin would be playing alongside Above & Beyond at clubs. Festivals are a different matter of course. You reasoning leads me to believe that you've never attended quality events.

it involved live mixing not only polls... what i've done in the past doesn't matter, i started playing the most underground shit without sucess, i kept some integrity but dropping a well known vocal track is something you have to do, the line between having integrity and being stupid is very thin, if people don't like what you play you are failing, if you can play a known track every 3 unknown tracks you are getting people linked to your set without being a slave.

If i think that playing for a commercial crowd is hard it's just because they only accept a small amount of what EDM is. 128-130bpm tracks, vocals simplistic and groovy without any breakdown, dubstep, breakbeat or part that makes the track different from the others.

Now i can play almost what i want which is fine, this is like start working cleaning the floor in Microsoft, if you know that in the end you'll manage that company having 1,000,000,000 $ i think it's worth cleaning the floor for some time.

And this year i've seen Gareth Emery, Markus Schulz , AvB and J00F some of the most successful and well i don't regret i've seen AvB i learnt a lot of how to manage a crowd technically and taste wise is far from being the best dj but i've never seen a dj achieving so much reactions, it's logical that at the start of the set people is "Oh oh Armin oh dear..." but he managed to keep this atmosphere for 3 hours long.

The scene is segregated but there are so many links between styles this is a part of a set a few months ago 1st hour of semi-commercial house i call it, this is house mainly but i add some techno and progressively some tech trance.

1.- Minilogue - Jamaica (Dubfire Dreadmill Remix) [Intro]
2.- Reboot - Caminando (Original Mix) [Intro]
3.- Deadmau5 - Slip (Original Mix)
4.- Ultrabase & Robbie Rivera - Batucada (Ultrabase fuckmix 2009)
5.- Rodri Santos pres. Innov8 - Haunted (Club Mix)
6.- James Talk Ridney - Forever (Ramon Tapia Remix)
7.- Mark Knight & Wolfgang Gartner - Conscindo (Club Mix)
8.- EDX & Daniel Portman - Hip (Koen Groenveld Remix)
9.- Wilson Smallwood & Ingram - Koko (Dark Edit)
10.- Faithless - Sun to Me (Jerome Isma-Ae Remix)
11.- Juanjo Martin & Danny Leblack - Skick Knucle (Original Mix)
12.- Umek - OMGWTF (Original Mix)
13.- Moguai - Sitting on Chrome (X Edition)
14.- Dustin Zahn - Stranger to Stability (Len Faki Podium Mix)
15.- Sander van Doorn - Reach Out (Original Mix)
16.- Swedish House Mafia feat.Deborah Cox - Leave the World Behind (Acapella)
17.- Nalin & Kane - Beachball (Joris Voorn Remix)

I don't think i've sold my soul to the commercial gods...

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos 3.- Deadmau5 - Slip (Original Mix) 4.- Ultrabase & Robbie Rivera - Batucada (Ultrabase fuckmix 2009) 7.- Mark Knight & Wolfgang Gartner - Conscindo (Club Mix) 8.- EDX & Daniel Portman - Hip (Koen Groenveld Remix) 13.- Moguai - Sitting on Chrome (X Edition) 15.- Sander van Doorn - Reach Out (Original Mix) 16.- Swedish House Mafia feat.Deborah Cox - Leave the World Behind (Acapella) 17.- Nalin & Kane - Beachball (Joris Voorn Remix) I don't think i've sold my soul to the commercial gods...

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Originally posted by Scrittah

Ultrabase & Robbie Rivera - Batucada (Ultrabase fuckmix 2009)
16.- Swedish House Mafia feat.Deborah Cox - Leave the World Behind (Acapella)
17.- Nalin & Kane - Beachball (Joris Voorn Remix)


This is only the real cheesy stuff but this is the 1st hour, some vocals and well known tracks are a must, however i hate vocal versions because often the vocals are the main elements and the rythm-melody has less work , but playing an acapella over rythmic track is something djs should try more to make more music accesible to the mainstream.

I don't have any scientific research but i have heard this statement so many times "I like house but only if it has vocals" stupid imo but with vocals over it you can play almost everything, this is curious indeed but simplifys the dj work a lot, you can build your set as you like (and having fun yourself is important, i am now starting to have fun, i think i started smoking because of david guetta ) and if you think people is getting bored you can pick some well known vocal tracks and off you go!

Lads i'm just warning you, do not let this turn into a rant and rave about music tastes. Leave that to the music discussion forum as I and everyone else here dont want an opinion war to start here on what we classify as cheese commercial and everything in between.

aside from music what about a place to find dj tools to add to a set.

Like acapella, synths, something to loop etc...

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Originally posted by SPACEMASTERS aside from music what about a place to find dj tools to add to a set. Like acapella, synths, something to loop etc...

while i know it's kind of relavent. The producer forum might have more of an idea of where to find those clips. Although feel free guys to post your advice here

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