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Originally posted by Viber I made it to mark 4:27, i did not enjoy that track. I already forgot how it went lol, i only remember alot of strings and rvrb... Gotta admit he has better potential for other genres.

It seems like he would do better in a genre that isn't focused on dancing.

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Originally posted by ken_lee people who say what they are going to do always fail at doing it, its almost a rule of thumb. he is an ass not knowing this.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jpl2cTDtbc

If you're going to talk out of your ass at least make it look like you know anything about the artist you're bashing

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Originally posted by Beatflux What's the difference between writing for percussion and song writing?

I'm not implying there is one, but why do all trance songs have to have a good pulse? Why would anyone listen to a track that's so clearly meant to focus on melodies and arrangement and think "well, the beat is boring, this sucks".

I also think people are seriously confusing muddiness with dense arrangement. Just because you can't very clearly hear every element like you would be able to in a typical dance track doesn't mean it's a fault. Why are trance artists not allowed to make tracks that are essentially a wall of sound? Just because it's not what it used to be or because it sounds different doesn't make it inherently wrong and that's what nobody seems to get. I've repeated myself about this so many times, I don't know what it's going to take for people to embrace change.

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Originally posted by Kysora ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jpl2cTDtbc If you're going to talk out of your ass at least make it look like you know anything about the artist you're bashing I'm not implying there is one, but why do all trance songs have to have a good pulse? Why would anyone listen to a track that's so clearly meant to focus on melodies and arrangement and think "well, the beat is boring, this sucks". I also think people are seriously confusing muddiness with dense arrangement. Just because you can't very clearly hear every element like you would be able to in a typical dance track doesn't mean it's a fault. Why are trance artists not allowed to make tracks that are essentially a wall of sound? Just because it's not what it used to be or because it sounds different doesn't make it inherently wrong and that's what nobody seems to get. I've repeated myself about this so many times, I don't know what it's going to take for people to embrace change.

You're making songs for a genre that revolves around dancing. Even if you don't dance, there is still that appeal of groove. If you really wanted to just listen to melodies you could obviously pick a different genre.


In general, muddiness and a clusterfuck of instruments sounds newbish.

This music clearly isn't made to be danced to so I'm not really sure why people continue to judge it as if it was, or if it's supposed to be.

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Originally posted by Kysora This music clearly isn't made to be danced to so I'm not really sure why people continue to judge it as if it was, or if it's supposed to be.

If that's the case, why bother with percs at all?

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Originally posted by Kysora ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jpl2cTDtbc

I was right.

Three pages and I still don't know who this person is or why I should care.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Three pages and I still don't know who this person is or why I should care.

Stop acting cool, you know who Andy Blueman is - that is why you don't care about him.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Three pages and I still don't know who this person is

Sorry, were we supposed to explain who he is? He's a Slovenian uplifting trance producer that more or less perfected breakdowns and became a huge success in the last 2 or 3 years

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or why I should care.

Well you kind of answered that yourself. You don't know who he is, so why care?

Strange that you cared enough to post here about it though. You're generally pretty level headed around here but that was just a really asinine post. You don't know who Blueman is, good for you, but there's plenty of people around here that do and we don't have to refrain from talking about him just because you don't know who he is.

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Originally posted by Beatflux If that's the case, why bother with percs at all?

So it's either interesting, groovy percussion or none at all? Those are the only two acceptable usages of percs in trance, period?

Everyone seems to love that Amoeba Assassin - Piledriver track but to me the actual chords and melody are boring as hell. Absolutely nothing interesting about them. But since the track is obviously drawing its energy and drive from the percussion and bass, and I'm aware of that, I didn't waste my time bitching about it in that remix thread devoted to it.

Not every track has to have absolutely every element that can make a track good in order for it to be interesting. Club tracks have ridiculously boring melodies but interesting grooves and basslines that make up for it. Uplifting trance is the opposite. If that scares people who vehemently believe that trance is a purely dance genre, then that's their problem, but they shouldn't take it out on the producers trying to take the genre in a new direction by criticizing it for completely irrelevant matters.

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Originally posted by Viber Stop acting cool, you know who Andy Blueman is - that is why you don't care about him.

He's one of these guys, right?











Actually, I was just trying to prove you could not know who he is and still be uncool.

I don't know who Andy Blueman is, but I find his blog entry interesting. He's just telling his fans what's going on. I'm sure he has people asking him all the time, when the next Trance release will be. He actually has fans, which is a big accomplishment. It's nice of him to keep them informed, and let them know his inner most thoughts. Never say never, though.

I wish him well with his film music endeavors. He probably should hook up with a partner who has a musical education, he could feed melodies and ideas to them, and they could build around it. Trent Reznor has scored films, "The Social Network". He has no formal music education, so I'm sure he worked closely with a film music director.

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Originally posted by Viber Stop acting cool, you know who Andy Blueman is - that is why you don't care about him.

No, really, I have absolutely no idea who he is. I've never been cool in my entire life.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery No, really, I have absolutely no idea who he is. I've never been cool in my entire life.

That's what makes you so cool.














You don't even know how cool you are.

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Originally posted by zodiac9 I don't know who Andy Blueman is, but I find his blog entry interesting. He's just telling his fans what's going on. I'm sure he has people asking him all the time, when the next Trance release will be. He actually has fans, which is a big accomplishment. It's nice of him to keep them informed, and let them know his inner most thoughts. Never say never, though. I wish him well with his film music endeavors. He probably should hook up with a partner who has a musical education, he could feed melodies and ideas to them, and they could build around it. Trent Reznor has scored films, "The Social Network". He has no formal music education, so I'm sure he worked closely with a film music director.

I really don't think you need a formal education to score films... People like Richie V are going to get on here and savage me for this, but I think years of practise making all sorts of music gives you an adequate knowledge of chords, intervals and the general shape of the chromatic scale that you'll be able to create the right mood without neccesarily being able to analyse the notes your playing in a great deal of minute detail.

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Originally posted by Kysora Sorry, were we supposed to explain who he is? He's a Slovenian uplifting trance producer that more or less perfected breakdowns and became a huge success in the last 2 or 3 years Well you kind of answered that yourself. You don't know who he is, so why care? Strange that you cared enough to post here about it though. You're generally pretty level headed around here but that was just a really asinine post. You don't know who Blueman is, good for you, but there's plenty of people around here that do and we don't have to refrain from talking about him just because you don't know who he is. So it's either interesting, groovy percussion or none at all? Those are the only two acceptable usages of percs in trance, period? Everyone seems to love that Amoeba Assassin - Piledriver track but to me the actual chords and melody are boring as hell. Absolutely nothing interesting about them. But since the track is obviously drawing its energy and drive from the percussion and bass, and I'm aware of that, I didn't waste my time bitching about it in that remix thread devoted to it. Not every track has to have absolutely every element that can make a track good in order for it to be interesting. Club tracks have ridiculously boring melodies but interesting grooves and basslines that make up for it. Uplifting trance is the opposite. If that scares people who vehemently believe that trance is a purely dance genre, then that's their problem, but they shouldn't take it out on the producers trying to take the genre in a new direction by criticizing it for completely irrelevant matters.

You really do need to start going clubbing.

On a side note, and maybe this should be a pm, but as someone who doesn't listen to trance (I think I read that in one of your posts), how is it that all your tracks are 100% uplifting trance with all the generic elements, structure and arrangements associated with uplifting trance? This isn't a criticism, I'm genuinely interested.

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Originally posted by Kysora Sorry, were we supposed to explain who he is? He's a Slovenian uplifting trance producer that more or less perfected breakdowns and became a huge success in the last 2 or 3 years Well you kind of answered that yourself. You don't know who he is, so why care? Strange that you cared enough to post here about it though. You're generally pretty level headed around here but that was just a really asinine post. You don't know who Blueman is, good for you, but there's plenty of people around here that do and we don't have to refrain from talking about him just because you don't know who he is. So it's either interesting, groovy percussion or none at all? Those are the only two acceptable usages of percs in trance, period? Everyone seems to love that Amoeba Assassin - Piledriver track but to me the actual chords and melody are boring as hell. Absolutely nothing interesting about them. But since the track is obviously drawing its energy and drive from the percussion and bass, and I'm aware of that, I didn't waste my time bitching about it in that remix thread devoted to it. Not every track has to have absolutely every element that can make a track good in order for it to be interesting. Club tracks have ridiculously boring melodies but interesting grooves and basslines that make up for it. Uplifting trance is the opposite. If that scares people who vehemently believe that trance is a purely dance genre, then that's their problem, but they shouldn't take it out on the producers trying to take the genre in a new direction by criticizing it for completely irrelevant matters.

You can do whatever you want.

You lack the perspective of a lot of people here who have been to the clubs,events,ect.

Maybe if you went to go see your favorite artist/DJ, your perspective might change.

I think there are more people enjoying trance @ home, car, while working out etc than in clubs. especially with the overflow of podcasts and soundcloud DJ sets available.

One should not write for the club, but for bringing over the vibe of choice. once oyu start caring about how people would like it, you lose authenticy. Don't let club vibe expectations limit you.
Unless you're in it for artifical "me too" clubvibe compatibility.

+ 1 Raphie.

I think going to clubs with your music in mind is useful for one thing, only, and that's to watch how music can move people. You'll also hear good ideas that you might not hear well on headphones or on a home stereo system but, really, the most useful information you can derive from club-life is an understanding of the elemental pieces of music which makes people move from the tables to the dance-floors and keeps them dancing. A good DJ who's in tune with his crowd can do wonders and listening to his transitions can also give you some good ideas about what works and what doesn't.

The bottom line is that going to a club, just to check out the suggestion of going to a club isn't going to hurt your music.

all this hassle because some guy doesn't want to lie to himself or to his fans?

There's too much business and not enough passion in electronic music and that's what is killing it. The guilty are those who are ruling the business today if you ask me.

We can't blame artists for evolving, we can only blame the douches for standing still instead, because they could get some money off you. That is Including myself. You can't believe how much of a relief it is to be quiet when everyone keeps "storming" a scene that is as small and elegant as a poop bag with insignificant pieces they dare calling music. That also includes me.

I feel so much better, although I do feel sorry for some of you guys because I lied to you in some way.

if this doesn't make sense to you now, no worries, it will soon do.

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Originally posted by Lolo all this hassle because some guy doesn't want to lie to himself or to his fans? There's too much business and not enough passion in electronic music and that's what is killing it. The guilty are those who are ruling the business today if you ask me. We can't blame artists for evolving, we can only blame the douches for standing still instead, because they could get some money off you. That is Including myself. You can't believe how much of a relief it is to be quiet when everyone keeps "storming" a scene that is as small and elegant as a poop bag with insignificant pieces they dare calling music. That also includes me. I feel so much better, although I do feel sorry for some of you guys because I lied to you in some way. if this doesn't make sense to you now, no worries, it will soon do.

Hopefully not in some painfully ironic way which reveals the cryptic meaning of your words through a tragedy...

Definitely sounds like you're coming to some rather stark conclusions, here. Daunting though they may be, I hope it goes well for you. You definitely have my curiosity peaked.

The people telling me to go clubbing are wasting their time. I really don't like dance music, I just don't. It's like a metalhead telling someone who likes shoegaze that they only like it because they've never been to a mosh pit in a metal concert or something. Stop saying that I'm lacking a perspective that I'm willingly choosing to avoid. I don't like the scene and I don't much like the music typically played at clubs.

I like uplifting trance because the form is interesting and it offers some neat opportunities for arrangement. Maybe I'm not writing in the ideal genre or trying to target an ideal audience but I don't really care, I don't see why everyone else feels they have to. People who already like uplifting trance seem to really enjoy my music, or even in the case of Owsey who generally hates uplifting trance, he seems to like what I do. So forgive me for dismissing criticism like that as little more than genre bias.

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Originally posted by G-Con On a side note, and maybe this should be a pm, but as someone who doesn't listen to trance (I think I read that in one of your posts), how is it that all your tracks are 100% uplifting trance with all the generic elements, structure and arrangements associated with uplifting trance? This isn't a criticism, I'm genuinely interested.

I used to listen to a lot of trance starting out, but got bored with it very quickly. The few artists I really enjoyed musically like Blueman, Arctic Moon, Oceania, etc. stuck with me as influences, but I overall don't enjoy listening to EDM anymore.

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Originally posted by Kysora I used to listen to a lot of trance starting out, but got bored with it very quickly. The few artists I really enjoyed musically like Blueman, Arctic Moon, Oceania, etc. stuck with me as influences, but I overall don't enjoy listening to EDM anymore.

So you produce uplifting trance but you rarely enjoy listening to it?

I only really enjoy a small number of artists and I've listened to them enough to not really want to listen to them very frequently.

I enjoy playing with my stuff and finding vibes.
If others enjoy them too > fine, if not? also fine (not much you CAN/WANT TO change)

I say fuck the esthablised "entities" We do our own releases, our own viral marketing en "our thing" We understand it costs money and we're prepared to invest. Why do we do it? because we like sharing our stuff and because we can

It's just a hobby, maintaining a Porsche as fun car costs more.
so does taking 4 holidays per year, or collecting art.

Don't take life to serious, have no expectations, be happily surprised with your Beatport statements and enjoy the ride.

If you don't want to DJ and get gigs, then there is NO MONEY in EDM, you will only be the Penny Whore of Armada/Anjuna/Blackhole

People telling Ky he needs to adopt the perspective of clubgoers is like people telling me I have to adopt the perspective of a drunk.
90% of club goers are drunk/drug addicts in the first place. Ok NO I'm sorry thats not true, many people go sober just because they love the music

I was at a club last night and just so happens someone had got in a huge bag of shrooms. Seems like every other person I saw was high, drunk, or shrooming. I wound up going outside for 2 hours waiting for a taxi that never came. But I had more fun outside alone then around those mindless fucks. I am definitely not a club person and always enjoy my music alone in the car, gym, work, school, or w/e. But definitely not around a bunch of hi fucks who aren't even listening to the music. Although I'm sure I'm just missing all the good clubs lol.

The only perspective anyone should be trying to understand is Bluemans. I'd also love to see these "muddy" melodies you people speak of. And no you can't link youtube vids because I know thats the only place you're hearing them. Try buying his music it might sound clearer to you.
Blueman is a talented artist imo and Kysora just linked one song which for a nonfollower would really not change much opinion at all. I honestly don't give a fuck if you like him or not. I do and thats all that really counts. But the assholes making a big deal about a stupid blog, please, get a life. And the problem is not your english kenny rogers ken lee palm w/e the fuck your name is. The problem is sometimes you just say incredibly stupid things, quite like kitphillips, quite like richie v, quite likey mystery, quite like myself.. and a lot of people on this forum.
So no I don't think your evil, but gzz who cares? Bluemans awesome. If you don't think so, than we'll just fight and get it over the easy way.

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