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Originally posted by Meat187 And according to the Castrol index, which claims to be a "objectively analysed rankings system" he is ranked only 3rd among the Argentine team, 11th among forwards and 54th overall. And that's not because all those other players were just a little more lucky. A lot of them were simply better.

And where is he in the overall Castrol rankings? Take a look yourself: http://www.castrolfootball.com/rankings/rankings/

Now, I'm sure you'll claim you're only talking about the World Cup and so his overall rankings (and 47 goals in 60 appearances for the season) aren't relevant, but given this is a thread about the Ballon d'Or I'd have a long hard think about who's trolling when you come into the thread and diss him based on five performances in a dodgy team and a substandard competition in the summer.

Incidentally, a quick inspection of those Castrol rankings should have anyone questioning the validity of an objective system that puts Frank Lampard as the world's current third best player.

system J: hominid, ad hominem sapien.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Now, I'm sure you'll claim you're only talking about the World Cup and so his overall rankings (and 47 goals in 60 appearances for the season) aren't relevant

Yeah, indeed I could try and make that outrageous claim (that I was only pointing out the weak WC performance instead of his general lack of ability) and explain the Ballon d'Or with his surely much better performance for his club.

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Oh wait, that's exactly what I said in the first place:

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Originally posted by Meat187 I never follow the Spanish league (or any other for that matter) but Messi sucked balls at the world cup.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit system J: hominid, ad hominem sapien.

You don't know what "ad hominem" means.

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Originally posted by Meat187 Yeah, indeed I could try and make that outrageous claim (that I was only pointing out the weak WC performance instead of his general lack of ability) and explain the Ballon d'Or with his surely much better performance for his club.

What was your point? There's a large amount of controversy with the WPOTY award in World Cup years, because FIFA tends to grossly exaggerate the importance of the tournament in the nominations. Hence why Asamoah Gyan was on the list and not Didier Drogba. If you come into this thread and only discuss the World Cup, it can only suggest the following:

1. You're self-admittedly too ignorant to have any valid input into the thread, but you want to chirp up anyway.
2. You're backing FIFA's over-emphasis on one competition.
3. You're trolling.

Which option reflects most kindly on you?

4. I'm aware of (2) and expressed that FIFA cleraly refrained from it this time.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You don't know what "ad hominem" means.

It means you're fat.

Messi just scored a hat-trick.

Just sayin'

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit It means you're fat.

I've got a six pack and a BMI of 18.8. Good line in irony, though.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I've got a six pack and a BMI of 18.8. Good line in irony, though.

wooooosh.

6 pack? pass one over, i'm all out of beers

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Incidentally, a quick inspection of those Castrol rankings should have anyone questioning the validity of an objective system that puts Frank Lampard as the world's current third best player.

The only player that should be above lampard is sneijder.

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Originally posted by Penalba The only player that should be above lampard is sneijder.

Really? Lampard is a good player, but he had a shocking World Cup (now there's a star who genuinely sucked ass) he's been out injured for most of this season, and now he's back his team are playing terribly and he isn't influencing games. There's a whole list of midfielders who I'd put above Lampard, not least Xavi and Iniesta.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Really? Lampard is a good player, but he had a shocking World Cup (now there's a star who genuinely sucked ass)

His world cup phantom goal was brilliant and could have changed history.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J he's been out injured for most of this season, and now he's back his team are playing terribly and he isn't influencing games.

He scored 2 goals in chelsea's last game and set up one or two more. Moreover, chelsea's recent poor form is evident of the importance of his presence.

Two goals in a 7-0 rout against Ipswich Town, a struggling Championship team.

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Originally posted by woscar Messi just scored a hat-trick. Just sayin'

+1.

What a superb performance from him, his average goals this season is ridiculous. Ronaldo can't even catch up haha.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Two goals in a 7-0 rout against Ipswich Town, a struggling Championship team.

7-0 inspired by fat frank. Also Ipswich town just beat Aresnal 1-0.

And he forced an own goal so it was close to a hat trick.

edit: from a free kick.

Doesn't make them a remotely good team. They're 19th in the Championship, a whole 34 league places below Chelsea, and they've just sacked their manager. Since he's returned, Chelsea have drawn 3-3 and lost 1-0 to struggling sides in the Premiership.

I'm not saying Lampard is a bad player, but he just hasn't done anything of note this season, mainly through injury. The Castrol rankings are supposed to be up-to-date on current performances, and Lampard is not in form.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Doesn't make them a remotely good team. They're 19th in the Championship, a whole 34 league places below Chelsea, and they've just sacked their manager. Since he's returned, Chelsea have drawn 3-3 and lost 1-0 to struggling sides in the Premiership. I'm not saying Lampard is a bad player, but he just hasn't done anything of note this season, mainly through injury. The Castrol rankings are supposed to be up-to-date on current performances, and Lampard is not in form.

You can't judge a player from his first two games back after a 4 month (?) long injury, they need time to get their fitness back. But I think you can judge his quality and importance by how poorly chelsea preform is without him. It's sort of like how Xabi Alonso's departure from Liverpool really exposed how crucial he was for the side.

Anyways, I'm just sayin Frank is the shit, but regarding the Castrol Ratings they are bullshit. I think anyone can vote on them through the internet so its whoever has the most fans. I THINK- not sure.

To be fair, after Lampard was injured Chelsea won 5 out of 7 league games and 3 out of 3 Champion's League games. His absence was not immediately noted.

By contrast, when Ray Wilkins was sacked by the club Chelsea won only 2 of their next 11 league matches. I think the absence of Wilkins is more significant than the absence of Lampard. Again, not to disparage Lampard as a good player or an important part of Chelsea's system, but 3rd/4th best player in the world this season?

The Castrol rankings are decided by a complex mathematical formula, they aren't just fan votes. As far as I know, they're based on the same system as the "Fink Tank" statistical analysis used by The Times newspaper in the UK. They're reasonably accurate, especially at predicting likelihoods of results, but they often throw up weird results. You can never fully analyse or understand a sport like football purely based on stats.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J By contrast, when Ray Wilkins was sacked by the club Chelsea won only 2 of their next 11 league matches. I think the absence of Wilkins is more significant than the absence of Lampard.

Agreed.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The Castrol rankings are decided by a complex mathematical formula, they aren't just fan votes. As far as I know, they're based on the same system as the "Fink Tank" statistical analysis used by The Times newspaper in the UK. They're reasonably accurate, especially at predicting likelihoods of results, but they often throw up weird results. You can never fully analyse or understand a sport like football purely based on stats.

Interesting. Never knew.

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Originally posted by Ash Parajuli +1. What a superb performance from him, his average goals this season is ridiculous. Ronaldo can't even catch up haha.

Despite how much I hate that cunt, I must say that he's having a phenomenal season as well, and has scored one more goal than Messi. Messi has 29 in 27 matches, while Ronaldo has 30 in 27 matches.

EDIT: Turns out I was wrong. Messi has 31 and Ronaldo has 30, both in 27 matches.

Sepp Blatter's claim today that La Liga is the best league in the world has sparked a major debate. I think it's stupid to rank leagues (just my nature in avoiding contention and confrontation) because each one has different things to offer, but even though I grew up watching the Premier League, La Liga is definitely my favourite league to watch.

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Originally posted by Intuition Sepp Blatter's claim today that La Liga is the best league in the world has sparked a major debate. I think it's stupid to rank leagues (just my nature in avoiding contention and confrontation) because each one has different things to offer, but even though I grew up watching the Premier League, La Liga is definitely my favourite league to watch.

Here is an interesting graph to compare the major leagues in Europe (it's in French but easy to understand):

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