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Dont mind mr. kitphillips he`s usually full of shit.

Darkstar Edition looks tasty..

I agree with kit overall. First, as discussed in MrJBJ's thread, I think the whole "sounds analogue" thing has really gone overboard. Second, "sounds analogue" means different things to different people, and to different synths, including analogue synths, because they don't all sound exactly the same. Third, I don't think that emulating analogue is the Virus' strength anyway, but Access is smart enough to know that sounding analogue is the "in" thing these days, so, like most synth developers, they're just putting a marketing BS spin on its features wherever possible knowing that, despite the analogue/digital debates, "sounding analogue" sells synths. And, if you tell people that it has features to "sound analogue", a good chunk of them will believe it. Bottom line for me is, who cares? I didn't buy it to sound analogue, I bought it to make music and invent sounds. And every Virus I've ever owned has done that very well for me.

It's what you say "call it what you want, it just sounds better"

I really don't care how people call it, for me it's VA and it sound soo much better than any alternative ITB

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Originally posted by Raphie It's what you say "call it what you want, it just sounds better"

No argument here.

One last point, getting back to kit's remark about how silly this statement sounds:

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New sources have been added to the modulation matrix allowing to add further "analog" feeling to pretty much any parameter available within the over 100 modulation destinations

I'm sure that there are some people who will use the new mod sources to try to coax more "analogue feeling" out of the Virus. But my guess is that most people will use the new mod sources to do just the opposite and find new ways to f### up the sound in ways that vintage or modern analogue synths simply can't because they don't have nearly as many mod sources/destinations or waveforms available to them. That's one big advantage of VAs.

love my polar(white -- call me racist), will probably only upgrade and never sell. that said, USB 1.0 is just blah but i'm HOPING the next virus is more producer focused and not more workstation-focused. we'll see, i know it's in the works.

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Originally posted by Eric J The damn thing is so expensive anyway (limited edition or not), that Access is going to have to put out a major upgrade before I consider moving away from the Polar I have now. At a minimum an upgrade to the USB interface (3.0 or greater) and the ability to have more than 3 stereo out over USB would need to be present to compel me to even think about upgrading. .

I agree. Despite the fact that I upgraded from a Polar TI1 to a keyboard TI2, that decision was based entirely on my need for more keys and the fact that I fortunately found a 2-month old, barely used TI2 for just a couple of hundred more than the going rate for 2-yo TI1s. If/when the next TI version comes out, I don't think I'll upgrade either unless it offers more outputs (either through USB upgrades or FW) and/or is substantially groundbreaking in other ways.

How is the TI 2 processing wise, i often catch myself being limited to 3, or if lucky 4 patches (of which 1 plays chords) and i am out of voices, voices drop off randomly until i turn of 1 of the channels, how much more real world processing does the TI2 have?

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Originally posted by Raphie How is the TI 2 processing wise, i often catch myself being limited to 3, or if lucky 4 patches (of which 1 plays chords) and i am out of voices, voices drop off randomly until i turn of 1 of the channels, how much more real world processing does the TI2 have?

To be honest, I rarely pushed my Polar TI1 to its limits and I also rarely (if ever) push my TI2 to its limits, so I couldn't really give you a comparison. Because my songs typically focus on vocals, I probably tend to work with sparser arrangements/fewer instruments than most EDM producers would, so the processing power and polyphony has never been an issue for me. But, I will say that I know I've ran 5 or 6 parts simultaneously, (e.g., some layered basses and pads) in my TI2, and never noticed any issues. Maybe someone else here has owned both and done a more proper comparison?

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Originally posted by Subtle Dont mind mr. kitphillips he`s usually full of shit. Darkstar Edition looks tasty..

Well if I disagree with you I must be full of shit right?

Because your comments about the new bit of paint splashed over the old synth are SOOOOO much more incisive. When did you get so much sand in your vag subtle?

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Originally posted by Timothy A Moog and a juno for example behave differently how the envelopes affect the filters and the amplifier. With the mod matrix, you can adjust that if you're creative enough.

They certainly might have differently shaped envelopes, but that has nothing to do with how they essentially effect the actual filter or volume itself. And nothing to do with the mod matrix! The mod matrix is just for routing sources to destinations. In a moog or juno, the filter and amp envelopes are hard wired to their destinations, so how could the mod matrix help you get more "analogue" results?? Maybe they're talking about routing an LFO to the pitch, in order to emulate analogue drift, but I'm pretty sure you can already do that on a virus.

So once again, I'm completely confused as to how this new mod matrix upgrade adds any "analogue" to the equation at all.

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Originally posted by cryophonik I'm sure that there are some people who will use the new mod sources to try to coax more "analogue feeling" out of the Virus. But my guess is that most people will use the new mod sources to do just the opposite and find new ways to f### up the sound in ways that vintage or modern analogue synths simply can't because they don't have nearly as many mod sources/destinations or waveforms available to them. That's one big advantage of VAs.

See, this is what I mean, they should have said that the new mod matrix will allow you to create new futuristic alien sound to fuck and distort people's brains. Because thats what those big old modulars could do, and thats the ultimate goal of any mod matrix IMO; to emulate a full on modular synth. But instead they acted as though it would just "add more analoguez".

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Originally posted by Raphie How is the TI 2 processing wise, i often catch myself being limited to 3, or if lucky 4 patches (of which 1 plays chords) and i am out of voices, voices drop off randomly until i turn of 1 of the channels, how much more real world processing does the TI2 have?

Good thing it sounds better than my ITB plugins, because the workflow still sounds like shite

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