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Originally posted by kaih Volume is good, but not at the cost of losing both dynamics and sounding effortless. Making your compressor/limiters work a little less hard is a good way to ensure this. I'll let Robert Babicz explain: http://vimeo.com/808485 After you watch that go listen to the track that plays in the background. Robert Babicz - Sin. It is thunderous, powerful, dominant and most of all it sounds effortless. You can squeeze the shit out of sounds with an L2, for example - but you're just flatlining the entire sound. Everything sounds the same volume, your dynamics are gone. Instead, as Babicz points out - a more nuanced approach will eventually get you better results. I'm sorry if I'm being vague, as if I'm holding back specifics - but certain topics almost demand abstractions to understand/explain. Perspective is a bitch.

Nice vid.

I usually only let my tracks have a peak of 3 DB of gain reduction in my limiter, they're pretty loud and they don't sound like shit, and my tracks still have power so I think that's good enough

Re: masThat

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Originally posted by theterran Not like you couldn't send in your un-mastered track for mastering anyway... Export Mixdown => Do whateverthefuckyouwantwithit => ???? => Profit! To me that quote is like saying : "Yeah if you want to make your own music on your own gear, go for it or whatever, but it's better to leave that up to the professionals..." inb4 That's what Tiesto said.

No, what I'm saying is: "Just because I went out and bought a table saw and a hammer, I am not a carpenter."

Recognize strengths and weaknesses. Mastering is such an acute and dialed in profession... why half ass it yourself when you can have a pro with all the right materials do it. That's what I'm saying.

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Robert Babicz - Sin

ok whats the fuzz about this dude, that track and every other track ive heard by him is just completely empty, i dont understand how anyone can enjoy it or even call it music. sounds like a 8 minute intro, im waiting for the baseline, the main elements and the good arrangement. its like he forgot it on loop at the first 16bars while rendering. btw is he gay?

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Originally posted by ken_lee btw is he gay?

No, he's German.

Robert reminds me to BT and i always think BT is gay.

A good mastering engineer will make any clean mixdown from you guys sound better than you will ever be able to "master" yourself, why?

- fresh ears
- better room
- better gear

One can dispute all of this as often as he likes, but that's just a plain fact.

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Originally posted by Raphie A good mastering engineer will make any clean mixdown from you guys sound better than you will ever be able to "master" yourself, why? - fresh ears - better room - better gear One can dispute all of this as often as he likes, but that's just a plain fact.

I guess my question is, to what extent does it matter?

None of my friends can tell the difference between a commercial track and something some random posted on Soundcloud.... because they don't care.

I mean some people pirate music off of YouTube. Isn't getting a good mix down and just getting the track to reasonable loudness more important?

my friends think there is no difference between my music or any other random track. Except if it's a David Guetta track or another commercial hit, in that case think mine is far worse.

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Originally posted by ken_lee ok whats the fuzz about this dude, that track and every other track ive heard by him is just completely empty, i dont understand how anyone can enjoy it or even call it music. sounds like a 8 minute intro, im waiting for the baseline, the main elements and the good arrangement. its like he forgot it on loop at the first 16bars while rendering. btw is he gay?

I think the video does his sound more justice than the YouTube. It's the attention to detail and the clarity in the mix and essential flutters of motion which draw me into it. I'd concede he's probably an outlier whose luck outmatched his talent but he's thinking outside the box, musically, and even if you don't like his bass-lines, his mixes still kill.

Re: Re: masThat

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Originally posted by CReddick No, what I'm saying is: "Just because I went out and bought a table saw and a hammer, I am not a carpenter."

What I'm saying is that those are the main tools of a carpenter, and if you practice with them enough then you can be a carpenter.

And I agree with Seandroid.

Safe to say, Joe shmoe will be too hopped up on ecstasy at his Rave to care about how pristine those hi-hats are...

how hard is it really to mix a kick and a snare? thats basically all thats in his tracks.

I think you're discounting the essential atmosphere of the track. Maybe I'm wrong and I can understand how his minimal approach isn't for everyone but what his tracks seem to lack in musical content, he more than makes up for with sound design.

yeah i like one track of him (remote kiss) but it could have been alot better if it wherent THAT minimal. it really isnt minimal either, caus minimal usually has a groove. its just lacking groove and rhytm.

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