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| Originally posted by Adam420 Armin van Buuren has nothing to do with trance anymore whatsoever and the only reason he is hanging on to that word is because that is what he's known for and it's gonna continue to make him lots of money for a long time. |
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| Originally posted by kadomony so he doesnt realize Matthew Dekay did this years ago and much better? |
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| Originally posted by djnitride fist pumping mentally handicapped euro house. How is it trance? It does not put me in a trance when I listen to it, it just makes me want duck my head in shame. |
The difference between Trance and House is BPM.
Soooooo how can a song be both?
this is now a Shed thread.
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| Originally posted by Taipan The difference between Trance and House is BPM. Soooooo how can a song be both? |
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| Originally posted by Rodri Santos I could agree that some house genres are similar but in this case is obvious you don't have any clue. |
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| Originally posted by Euforix There's lots more than just one difference. |
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| Originally posted by Taipan What are you talking about? House genres are similar? Sure, but what does that have to do with anything in this discussion? If I don't have a clue, why don't you enlighten me..... |
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| Originally posted by Taipan The difference between Trance and House is BPM. |
so would Trouse fans be called Trousers?

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| Originally posted by Taipan Yes, but I'm pretty sure BPM is the main difference. |
This "Trouse" idea sounds great on paper.. whether the paper is made out of shit I'm yet to find out..
Another Trouse producer = Ben Gold??
Please stop using that word.
I suppose it is better than calling it prog though
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| Originally posted by djnitride Please stop using that word. I suppose it is better than calling it prog though |
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| Originally posted by RossB94 It's been labelled that by quite a few labels, I think there's no way back now! |
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| Originally posted by RossB94 This "Trouse" idea sounds great on paper.. whether the paper is made out of shit I'm yet to find out.. Another Trouse producer = Ben Gold?? |
It would have been better if vertigo-house would have stayed back in the early 90s.
Many early 90's track now could be called Trouse after Trance became popular.
Trouse also could be Tribal House instead of Trance House like the first one below.
IMO eg:
Astrospider - Ritmista!
Get Decor - Passion
Chubby Chunks - Testament One (1993)
No, I don't think we need Trouse, fuck it 
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| Originally posted by euphoria You can produce a house track at the same bpm as a trance track and it doesn't make it trance. It also has to do with the sounds used, and the overall layout of the beats among other elements. Your assumption sounds extremely narrow minded. If a song has a really slow BPM it doesn't automatically mean that its house. It can be deep progressive trance for example. Many trance tracks are based on the 4x4 beats whereas house is more variable. |
In general, you can see this in house too but less often, in trance you rarely see a track without:
-Strings
-Rolling bassline
-Punchy kick
more... thinking.
Bah, Norman Feller was making 'trance-house' way back in '93.
Admittedly, one of the other cuts from that EP was anything but house.
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| Originally posted by stev� 99% of trance tracks are around 135bpm. |

Most of the psy tracks in my collection are 145 bpm, most are from 2005-2010, the older are up to 160 but right now 145 is the average bpm.
I'd add that foremost trance is about melodies and hypnotic loops and house is about groove and rythm, i think this is most important than bpm, a lot of genres move around the same bpms and there are huge differences between them. If you check the Dance 2 trance productions some of them are at 120bpm.
The bpms are just a tool to place the elements into the measure, the kick is more visual (auditive in this case) but they're not so important, one of the first errors i had when i started producing is that i thought that at 140 bpm all my tracks would be driving and stunning, error...
Bpms are handy to distribute the genres, house at 140 bpm possibly wouldn't work because the microdynamics are very low, the sidechain sounds different because the compressor doesn't have a long time to boost , the hi hats make a crowded sound... but you can get a good house track at 140 bpm most probably but... how many dj's would include that track in his set?� So all the djs are playing 125-132 stuff and you pretend them to raise their set 10 bpms up?? The same with uplifting trance at 128 bpm, it's possible but it is not appropiate, a wasted idea.
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| Originally posted by Rodri Santos Ben Gold sounds completely different than this, something between prog and tech trance. "Trouse" producers i'd consider: -Avicii -Laidback Luke -SHM Well i consider that trouse is a commercial style... so labels started using the term... wether they're worthless or not i think there's no turning back, Ti�sto must be proud, he invented a genre... according to Wikipedia the first trance song was Age of Love , what is the first trouse song?� It's exciting to witness how a genre borns but it's difficult to make a mental idea of it. Certainly the 1990 trance is completely different to the actual "trance" so for dignity of the true genre a new name was needed |
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