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Posted by Chimney on Jan-20-2011 11:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Adam420
Armin van Buuren has nothing to do with trance anymore whatsoever and the only reason he is hanging on to that word is because that is what he's known for and it's gonna continue to make him lots of money for a long time.


Fixed.

Ti�sto is so far off trance right now, he has not idea how it even sounds anymore.


Posted by Guest on Jan-20-2011 13:20:

quote:
Originally posted by kadomony
so he doesnt realize Matthew Dekay did this years ago and much better?


yes sir.


Posted by iammesol on Jan-20-2011 14:22:

quote:
Originally posted by djnitride
fist pumping mentally handicapped euro house.

How is it trance? It does not put me in a trance when I listen to it, it just makes me want duck my head in shame.


Very little music does anymore, but One has a fucking supersaw in it.


Posted by Taipan on Jan-20-2011 16:28:

The difference between Trance and House is BPM.

Soooooo how can a song be both?


Posted by Zyklon_Jay on Jan-20-2011 16:35:



this is now a Shed thread.


Posted by Rodri Santos on Jan-20-2011 17:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Taipan
The difference between Trance and House is BPM.

Soooooo how can a song be both?


I could agree that some house genres are similar but in this case is obvious you don't have any clue.


Posted by Taipan on Jan-21-2011 05:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Rodri Santos
I could agree that some house genres are similar but in this case is obvious you don't have any clue.


What are you talking about? House genres are similar? Sure, but what does that have to do with anything in this discussion? If I don't have a clue, why don't you enlighten me.....


Posted by Taipan on Jan-21-2011 05:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Euforix
There's lots more than just one difference.


Yes, but I'm pretty sure BPM is the main difference.


Posted by Rodri Santos on Jan-21-2011 15:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Taipan
What are you talking about? House genres are similar? Sure, but what does that have to do with anything in this discussion? If I don't have a clue, why don't you enlighten me.....




Trance



House

So

quote:
Originally posted by Taipan
The difference between Trance and House is BPM.


In your opinion if you play both tracks at say 132 bpm (middle point) both would sound alike?


Posted by Swamper on Jan-21-2011 15:49:

so would Trouse fans be called Trousers?


Posted by euphoria on Jan-21-2011 16:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Taipan
Yes, but I'm pretty sure BPM is the main difference.


You can produce a house track at the same bpm as a trance track and it doesn't make it trance. It also has to do with the sounds used, and the overall layout of the beats among other elements. Your assumption sounds extremely narrow minded.

If a song has a really slow BPM it doesn't automatically mean that its house. It can be deep progressive trance for example. Many trance tracks are based on the 4x4 beats whereas house is more variable.


Posted by RossB94 on Jan-21-2011 17:16:

This "Trouse" idea sounds great on paper.. whether the paper is made out of shit I'm yet to find out..

Another Trouse producer = Ben Gold??


Posted by djnitride on Jan-21-2011 17:22:

Please stop using that word.

I suppose it is better than calling it prog though


Posted by RossB94 on Jan-21-2011 17:24:

quote:
Originally posted by djnitride
Please stop using that word.

I suppose it is better than calling it prog though


It's been labelled that by quite a few labels, I think there's no way back now!


Posted by djnitride on Jan-21-2011 18:12:

quote:
Originally posted by RossB94
It's been labelled that by quite a few labels, I think there's no way back now!


Worthless labels.


Posted by Rodri Santos on Jan-21-2011 18:51:

quote:
Originally posted by RossB94
This "Trouse" idea sounds great on paper.. whether the paper is made out of shit I'm yet to find out..

Another Trouse producer = Ben Gold??


Ben Gold sounds completely different than this, something between prog and tech trance.

"Trouse" producers i'd consider:

-Avicii
-Laidback Luke
-SHM

Well i consider that trouse is a commercial style... so labels started using the term... wether they're worthless or not i think there's no turning back, Ti�sto must be proud, he invented a genre... according to Wikipedia the first trance song was Age of Love , what is the first trouse song?� It's exciting to witness how a genre borns but it's difficult to make a mental idea of it.

Certainly the 1990 trance is completely different to the actual "trance" so for dignity of the true genre a new name was needed


Posted by Chimney on Jan-21-2011 20:41:

It would have been better if vertigo-house would have stayed back in the early 90s.


Posted by Trance-M on Jan-21-2011 21:00:

Many early 90's track now could be called Trouse after Trance became popular.
Trouse also could be Tribal House instead of Trance House like the first one below.

IMO eg:

Astrospider - Ritmista!
Get Decor - Passion
Chubby Chunks - Testament One (1993)




No, I don't think we need Trouse, fuck it


Posted by stev� on Jan-21-2011 21:24:

quote:
Originally posted by euphoria
You can produce a house track at the same bpm as a trance track and it doesn't make it trance. It also has to do with the sounds used, and the overall layout of the beats among other elements. Your assumption sounds extremely narrow minded.

If a song has a really slow BPM it doesn't automatically mean that its house. It can be deep progressive trance for example. Many trance tracks are based on the 4x4 beats whereas house is more variable.


i disagree with this. ive asked about this before and never got a clear answer, just as theres no clear definition laid out in your explanation above "sounds used ... overall layout of the beats". i dont think its being narrow minded its just speaking in a general sense and not being overly anal about definitions. 99% of trance tracks are around 135bpm. 99% of house is 125-128bpm. bpm is not the sole difference, its just a really really big one, the main one.

theres certain things about trance that you dont get in house. trance had more storylike cinematic themes - hard to explain in words. very few house tracks have the same hypnotic melodic elements that some of the great trance classics had.


Posted by Rodri Santos on Jan-21-2011 21:50:

In general, you can see this in house too but less often, in trance you rarely see a track without:

-Strings
-Rolling bassline
-Punchy kick

more... thinking.


Posted by Sykonee on Jan-21-2011 22:21:

Bah, Norman Feller was making 'trance-house' way back in '93.



Admittedly, one of the other cuts from that EP was anything but house.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jan-21-2011 22:22:

quote:
Originally posted by stev�
99% of trance tracks are around 135bpm.


No, wrong. The typical epic trance tempo is 140bpm. The typical progressive trance tempo is closer to 130bpm. Psy trance is often clocked at 150bpm. Dance 2 Trance - We Came In Peace, arguably the first trance record, is 120bpm. This track is at 110bpm, but most people would say it's very trancey:


Posted by MSZ on Jan-21-2011 23:14:












Posted by Rodri Santos on Jan-21-2011 23:20:

Most of the psy tracks in my collection are 145 bpm, most are from 2005-2010, the older are up to 160 but right now 145 is the average bpm.

I'd add that foremost trance is about melodies and hypnotic loops and house is about groove and rythm, i think this is most important than bpm, a lot of genres move around the same bpms and there are huge differences between them. If you check the Dance 2 trance productions some of them are at 120bpm.

The bpms are just a tool to place the elements into the measure, the kick is more visual (auditive in this case) but they're not so important, one of the first errors i had when i started producing is that i thought that at 140 bpm all my tracks would be driving and stunning, error...

Bpms are handy to distribute the genres, house at 140 bpm possibly wouldn't work because the microdynamics are very low, the sidechain sounds different because the compressor doesn't have a long time to boost , the hi hats make a crowded sound... but you can get a good house track at 140 bpm most probably but... how many dj's would include that track in his set?� So all the djs are playing 125-132 stuff and you pretend them to raise their set 10 bpms up?? The same with uplifting trance at 128 bpm, it's possible but it is not appropiate, a wasted idea.


Posted by RossB94 on Jan-21-2011 23:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Rodri Santos
Ben Gold sounds completely different than this, something between prog and tech trance.

"Trouse" producers i'd consider:

-Avicii
-Laidback Luke
-SHM

Well i consider that trouse is a commercial style... so labels started using the term... wether they're worthless or not i think there's no turning back, Ti�sto must be proud, he invented a genre... according to Wikipedia the first trance song was Age of Love , what is the first trouse song?� It's exciting to witness how a genre borns but it's difficult to make a mental idea of it.

Certainly the 1990 trance is completely different to the actual "trance" so for dignity of the true genre a new name was needed


To add to the list: (WARNING: I don't have a great knowledge on this, just my guessed_

East & Young
BT
Pushing it a bit: Mike Foyle?


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